LancyTony

January 25

14 hours ago, Warren said:

An investigator can bring some soul to an investigation. It is important not to go off on a witch hunt where the investigator starts off only looking at proving guilt. The point of investigation is to look for innocence, guilt and anything in between with an open mind. The Post Office prosecutions are a prime example where this balance doesn't seemed to have happened leading to gross injustice and serious harm to the welfare of many post masters and their wider family etc.

Maybe not the best example to quote, Warren? - it was the investigation that was as flawed as Fujitsu's software!

January 25

16 hours ago, Rockape99 said:

Now ambrosia rice pudding is a new conversation completely , it’s not great

I agree - but, as a classicist I was referring to ambrosia - the food of the Gods...and how appropriate is that?

January 24

13 hours ago, PVFC764 said:

Problem is I have used all mine up from the freezer so need to do a run up to Stoke to buy more and then freeze them. Always good fun when ordering 6 dozen oakcakes at one go. The look you get from the owner and anyone else in the shop - feel like saying - yes I am addicted to oatcakes. 🤣

Yes - that's a L:ancashire problem, too! Our supermarkets only stock those by "Staffordshire Oatcakes" which are better than nothing...bit not as good as the real thing!

Admin...I know...off topic...for some while. Time to have a thread dedicated to our ambrosia?

January 24

19 hours ago, Rockape99 said:

Try cheese and tinned tomatoes another level

I consider oatcakes to be part of a full English breakfast...so, bacon, sausage and eggs and you have the best start to the day!

Edit: and mushrooms!

January 24

19 hours ago, Warren said:

He was. The discussion moved on to the underpinning issues. Mitigation comes after investigation and prosecution. It may influence sentencing or not.

As an auditor, investigator and risk manager - in my career - I find and bring the facts forward to decision makers. That's it. I don't care, for example, if a person stole money to fund an affair with a secret lover. They just broke the law.

I might mention in a report they told me that was their motivation for committing the offence / crime. But it won't alter the core findings, conclusions and recommendations arising from the investigation I put in the report.

I appreciate you want to bring sympathy, empathy and support etc. So the offending person here - Toney - does have issues that need treatment and support. But for the investigator that's something that comes after the case has been proven and carried out by someone else competent to help.

Yep - that sounds pretty soulless!

January 24

21 hours ago, TJHValiant said:

...It isn’t even our talent, in fact it is the big clubs doing the nurturing as they just want their players to get games.

It all looks a bit dubious, begging around, seeing if we can scrounge any young prospect at a big club needing a game. It isn’t a strategy that is likely to see much stability and despite all of Flitcroft’s self congratulatory approach, we are still 18th in the league and I’m looking nervously down the table rather than up it. At the time of writing Exeter and Reading are winning.

Wow - you manage to kill the mood every time, don't you? "Begging around" and "scrounge" are as far away as they can be from what's really happening here - we are identifying young and gifted talent from elite clubs, and persuading them that these players can get a good grounding with us. None of this is done by happenstance...nor with a begging bowl! As you may have read, Man United "scouted us" for a while, to make sure we were the real deal for them. That, alone, is a feather in our cap - to establish that kind of trust with clubs like Liverpool and Man IU. We often hear "why can they loan players from top clubs, but we can't?" - it's because we've never put in the groundwork that has to be done, and not, since the days of Rudgie, had many managers with the chutzpah to ask Man Utd for one of their players, on loan?

Yes - I get we're still 18th in the League...and some of us think we're one game from the drop...but we haven't played many matches, recently, for various reasons out of our control, which has left us with up to 3 games in hand, and a single win could move us up 4 or 5 ;places. Take a look upwards, for a change, instead of permanently fearing the drop? It's not scary!

January 24

1 hour ago, Loggerheads Sage said:

Lol, looks like everyone wants to be me.

You would probably have put what I think and got me banned 😆 mind you, if I ever do lose it, I will just tell rob, I was framed, it was all lance Tony, lol

I knew I should have posted the rumour!!!!! hahaha

January 24

2 hours ago, JoeB2 said:

The gap being 4 points with top of the table on Saturday is not very comfortable.

Win one game in hand puts us up about 4 - 5 places...win two puts us up 7 places. We have 3 in hand on some clubs...and, yes - I know they have to be won!

January 23

2 hours ago, manc_vale said:

It's significant that the ground work for this and for the recruitment was done whilst a part time DOF. This will have saved us a few quid whilst getting us out of league 2, bringing through talent from the academy, putting in place a better brand of football, working with Carol to improve the facilities, promoting the club etc.

If this makes me a happy clapper, DF lover I'll wear it. There are limited better options than DF at the price we are likely paying and there are certainly many worse.

I think that's your best and most accurate post, manc_vale! Welcome to the Club!

January 23

3 hours ago, Guppys left peg said:

I never even contemplated an oatcake without cheese then your choice of either bacon or sausage. Not sure about this sorcery others speak of here.

'tis alchemy...not sorcery!

January 23

3 hours ago, prof said:

When I was small (70+ years ago) we always had golden syrup and butter on our oatcakes. But I agree, cheese is also great!

That just shows the versatility of the oatcake - sweet or savoury! And, yes - golden syrup and butter were awesome!!

January 23

5 hours ago, Warren said:

Very promising. Another thing that struck me watching this clip is how important the improvement to the PV pitch has been. A player like Gore and Blaster etc. want to come, play and develop on a pitch that is credible if not quite equal to a Premier League pitch.

Pitch looks good, and seems to play well! Not heard any complaints about it?

January 23

6 hours ago, Diego Maradona said:

This gives a good idea about what kind of a midfielder Gore is. It is just clips of him during one game. Apologies if already posted.

Seems a decent passer? I like he does his defensive duties, too - even as far back as his own penalty box. And not afraid of a tackle! Looking forward to seeing him play!

January 23

6 hours ago, Warren said:

...It's easy to go bet if a player wishes. Retire from football. Simples.

The 'investment' by betting companies in advertising related to football does not threaten the integrity of play in games. There is a discussion to be had about overall desirability in the sport. But that doesn't go to integrity of play which is fundamental.

Toney was banned!

You should know gambling isn't something as simple as wanting a bit of a flutter, a little entertainment? The issues for a person to start gambling can be very complex, and have nothing to do with winning money, even? It can be a very destructive lifestyle, and cases need to be dealt with with some sympathy / empathy?

January 23

7 hours ago, JRC said:

I think you're right, great first poor second half.

Jack Grimmer? I know we extended his loan one time?

January 23

7 hours ago, andy jones said:

1: Strangely Tony I regularly watch football. In addition to Vale (ST holder) Leek Town (ST holder), Kidsgrove Athletic, Hanley Town and even Abbey Hulton United I do...

2: ...Only at the Vale do I see the player taking the kick off passing it directly back to the goal keeper.

3: I have no desire to see other aspects of modern football such as deliberate outright cheating by players to 'win' penalties, get opponents sent off by simulating / exaggerating injury. Etc etc

4: The fact that a player can commit over 200 betting offences and managing to be back playing the game within 8 months instead of being banned 'sine die' from professional football within the jurisdiction of the FA is an indictment of how low the professional game has sunk.

5: Modern day football is, in many cases, corrupt and a total embarrassment in educating children. It is the antithesis of the definition of what sport used to stand for.

6: So my friend I do watch football, but at a level where the match is a sporting occasion to entertain and excite by scoring more goals than the opposition. Back passing to the keeper from the kick off followed by passing across the back line, followed by passing back to the keeper again, does nor meet any of the above criteria of a football match. IMHO.

7: Tell me, Tony, do you actually watch football or just a sad parody of ... the once beautiful game?

1: Even in those lower League matches, you will see this, at some time. What filters down keeps on filtering down. The common time-wasting tactic of a GK throwing himself to the ground to "protect" the ball from the opposition has certainly reached schoolboy level - I've seen this for myself.

2: I have no reason to suggest other teams do it, other than they do. No, I couldn't name the Lge 1 teams without spending a very long time sifting through TV recordings - which I'm not prepared to do just to win an argument on here!

3: If you watch Vale matches, I'm afraid you see examples of these, all the time...game after game...and not only by the opposition - although, we seem to be fairer than most, and some teams have appalling reputations for these acts!

4: A different subject, really - I thought the punishment was harsh enough - too harsh when you consider it was roughly the same length as Cantona kung-fu kicking a fan. Yes, I know the fan deserved a good kicking...but it wasn't for a footballer to leave the pitch and do it! The other thing about the gambling ban - I didn't read a lot into it, at the time, but, if he didn't bet on his own Club, then I think that reduces the severity of jis actions?

5: I(f, by corruption, you mean the giving of the World Cup to Qatar, and the "process" that that went through - you're right, it is very corrupt - just not sure children would realize that? If you mean players' actions - I remember "Diving" Franny Lee; Ian Ure / Nobby Stiles / Billy Bremner / "bite yer legs" Norman Hunter, to name just a few, as being hatchetmen, which was a different kind iof cheating! And one which was much more visible to children. I remember the ;likes of Owen Oyston, and other chairmen / owners being corrupt in their dealings - but, again, not likely to corrupt children. So it's not only the "modern game" which is corrupt - but I'm guessing you're meaning since the age of Sky. as they're the popular goats to scape? Even though there are other parties now equally culpable of changing foorball?

6: There is a phrase which has been long in existence - I certainly remember it being talked about in the 70's - "build from the back"! Like a chess game, you open teams up by tempting them to break defensive ranks. This is no different!

7: I get to the Vale when health and finances allow. When I was working in Finland, before New Year, I spent, I think, almost £80 on iFollow - which I consider to be a rip-off as it keeps "freezing"...although this could have been the internet we had over there? When I was in my late-teens, and through my 20's, if I couldn't get a lift I would walk from Leek to Vale Park, and back home after. Asa single parent, Myself and 2 kids had STs for a few years. My stepgrandson and stepgrandaughter both represent their schools, and, I hope, will play at a higher level? Yes I watch "the beautiful game" - still - Prem / EFL / FAC / LC and Joe Bloggs Trophy - and it's still as exciting as it's ever been...although I have been a Vale fan through the turgid times, too!

I hope this answers your questions, adequately? But - if it doesn't that's tough poop, as I've wasted too much time pandering to you and Brian Johnson's never-ending arguments!

January 23

8 hours ago, Sam Kelly's Left Boot said:

I was the exact same with those 2 accounts 🤣

The glitch kept putting me on as Loggerheads Sage...I was so tempted! hahaha!!!

January 23

10 hours ago, Walka003 said:

...same with Donnelly, Balmer... The list goes on.

10 games into his vale career is the only time you can really see where any of them are at.

The list doesn't go on much further - we haven't had that many Prem youngsters join us, over the years. But - having seen the quality of Ollie and Alfie, we should be hopeful that Dan Gore and Rhys Williams - of similar ages and experience - could be as successful as those two? It would be interesting if everyone applied the "10 games into his Vale career!" principle, for every signing, instead of dismissing them out of hand?

January 23

11 hours ago, Brian Johnson said:

Of cause he can not answer that question which is why he's thrown it back into both mine & your's court by saying watch the matches.

He can not name a single team

You pair of Muppets realize that, to do that kind of research I would have to watch 100 or so minutes of EVERY game this season, just to make sure i didn't miss an example? Originally, my answer was the Prem and Champio0nship teams - I've certainly seen Liverpool do it, and, I think, City have, too. But League 1???...truthful answer is I don't know but think so - because not every Lge 1 game is shown on TV, and, when they are, it's often just highlights, so they probably miss the kickoff routines? BUT - this has come from somewhere...we have seen someone else do it, i don't think we're the leaders in this? And the logic for it would be passing back to the GK leaves him the whole pitch to see where a good pass could go, and leaves at least one defender clear to get forward - so I'd argue...with a lot of confidence...that it isn't even a defensive move? Over to you, Waldorf and Statler!

January 23

On 22/01/2024 at 19:14, ginginator said:

Indeed, I expect him to be announced tomorrow, but will he have sauce on his oatcake and what colour? Or will he be cheese or bacon? It is a calamity. May ask on X and see the reaction.

Cheese OR bacon???? Nay lad - the OR is sausages or bacon...WITH cheese!!!!

January 23

On 22/01/2024 at 15:53, andy jones said:

If we are good at playing football and lose surely it means the opposition are better than us at playing football...

Not necessarily - if it's an individual mistake (so many of them!,) or a bad refereeing decision (even more of those!)? You must have heard other clubs - not only us - complain that a ref's decision has cost them the game?

January 23

9 hours ago, andy jones said:

Can you or anyone else posting on here name me one match where you have seen the opposition player at kick off pass it pack to his keeper.

How can you possibly say many other teams do it!

Maybe I was already 😴.

Watch. Watch football and see for yourself!

January 23

10 hours ago, Brian Johnson said:

1 manager for team in the league below. Great!

But - it was one from one...there are others, but, as I've suggested before - do your own research?

January 22

10 hours ago, Brian Johnson said:

I knew you would come back with the best in Europe.

What about League one?

It's like this, Brian - Man City...Liverpool...Arsenal...do not learn from the coaching at Accrington Stanley (unless a revolutionary new coach has the chance to show a brand new philosophy?). But the evolution of the game of football starts at, or near the top, and filters downwards. It's how we've moved from 5.3.2. through 4.4.2. and 4.3.3. to playing with "false nines" and, occasionally, no recognised striker. Other sports have evolved in other ways - cricket has adopted shorter games to augment what was already on offer. Limited overs supposedly offer more excitement? It's just the way sport goes. At one time the "Fosbury Flop" was unheard of (especially in cricket!)

January 22

11 hours ago, Emile said:

I do agree let's see on Feb 1st but...

Arblaster > Jenson Weir. Unproven loan replacement replacing our probably best player this season so far
Devine > Gore probably coming in. Unproven loan replacement replacing arguably our best player in December
Balmer > Williams = proven not good enough, unproved loan replacement
Thomas > no replacement yet
Conlon > no replacement yet

I don't think you can argue we are replacing departing players with better permanent signings because we haven't made a permanent signing so far. Balmer wasn't good enough so his replacement is potentially better already. The other two might be better than what we had, or they might not.

Like I say, I am waiting until Feb 1st to really judge things but I really hope we do improve our squad for the second half of the season.

Feb 2nd. Transfer window closes at 11pm Feb 1st,

Sorry - wasn't trying to play oneupmanship or anything, just clarifying that the window closes on the 1st so we take stock on the 2nd, really?

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