Why are people wary of Mo?

[Valiant Haze]

Under the agreement undetaken by V2001, the council can now end the payment holiday the board have enjoyed up to this point. If there is a change of ownership the council can enforce repayment in FULL.

 

In answer to the original question my wariness of Mo is based on things i have been told about his business practices. I believe that Mo Chaudry is only interested in his own personal gain and not the best interests of PVFC or its fans. And im not on about redeveloping the ground or any of that, i just think that Mo Chaudry will be associated with PVFC while it suits him, and when it doesnt he'll walk away no matter what state it'll leave the club in.

 

Im no supporter of the current board, but equally im not taken in by Mo Chaudry's well rehearsed PR offensive.

 

This is what we are dealing with. A post full of insinuation an innuendo, backed up with no fact or personal experience. Just " i think " from hearsay.

 

Some Vale supporters get the club they deserve. A club that has quickly become a talking point in the mighty LG 2 for all the wrong reasons.

 

What's the ****ing point.

[MarkB2]

One of the other things you hear from the pro Mo fans is ..... "If the anti Mo lot have any actual evidence of dodgy practices against Mo, lets hear them on the forum".

 

This rather simplistic outlook fails to consider that succesful businessmen with "colourful" pasts and questionable practices are rarely stupid enough to leave hard evidence of these practices lying around. They cover their tracks well. They also have considerable financial might and will use the full force of the legal system to come down on anybody that accuses them of something specific without being able to back it up.

 

Hence i wont be putting out the specifics of what i have heard on OVF. But i am one supporter who thinks the fact that the police found it nessesary to investigate messers Ibbs, Meredith and Chaudry very intetesting.

 

I'm sorry Rob, but you cannot have it all ways.

 

"Mo is dodgy, but I can't say anything about it, and I have no real evidence beyond hearsay but its true I tell you and that is why I don't support him."

 

It is not like anyone is trying to say Mo is whiter than white, or that he doesn't have a past - its just that he has a vision, a clear plan and the means to do something about it. What more do you want from him?

 

As I have said, I imagine that there are very very few business people without coloured pasts - it is the nature of the game they are in.

[Jacko51]

Under the agreement undetaken by V2001, the council can now end the payment holiday the board have enjoyed up to this point. If there is a change of ownership the council can enforce repayment in FULL.

 

 

This is a red herring unless there are further terms in the Council loan that we don't know about. If Mo Chaudry invests 51% equity in an existing company that is surely not a change of ownership. It is not a new company taking over the club.

 

The next question which must be asked about this condition of the loan is who put it in there and what was its purpose.

[Jacko51]

One of the other things you hear from the pro Mo fans is ..... "If the anti Mo lot have any actual evidence of dodgy practices against Mo, lets hear them on the forum".

 

This rather simplistic outlook fails to consider that succesful businessmen with "colourful" pasts and questionable practices are rarely stupid enough to leave hard evidence of these practices lying around. They cover their tracks well. They also have considerable financial might and will use the full force of the legal system to come down on anybody that accuses them of something specific without being able to back it up.

 

You mean like Harlequin do??

[buffwa]

LB

 

Is it getting personal now, you don't want to be beaten by this bunch of amateur idiots.

[The Wonder of You]

My straightforward and honest opinion on the original question is one word "Racism".

 

You only have to listen around the stands and terraces to hear it, it's still there in abundance in this day and age.

[Valiant Haze]

One of the other things you hear from the pro Mo fans is ..... "If the anti Mo lot have any actual evidence of dodgy practices against Mo, lets hear them on the forum".

 

This rather simplistic outlook fails to consider that succesful businessmen with "colourful" pasts and questionable practices are rarely stupid enough to leave hard evidence of these practices lying around. They cover their tracks well. They also have considerable financial might and will use the full force of the legal system to come down on anybody that accuses them of something specific without being able to back it up.

 

Hence i wont be putting out the specifics of what i have heard on OVF. But i am one supporter who thinks the fact that the police found it nessesary to investigate messers Ibbs, Meredith and Chaudry very intetesting.

 

Very interesting is the fact that you once again spout some more bile, Rob. If you have got some concerns over " What you have been told " then go and ask MC direct to his face. The only problem being is that you don't actually have a question, just insinuation.

 

When you find this ideal investor that you seem to think exists, then i hope not too much damage has been done to PVFC in this time. It may only football to you Rob, but it's a big part of a lot of people's lives, something to look forward to ( idealy ).

 

Do us a favour and ask MC or LB in private ( seeing as you seem to be scared of legal action ) about your concerns. Mo Chaudry has a hell of a lot to lose here, but with rumblings of no substance such as yours, then so do PVFC and it's fans.

[mr.hobblesworth]

Dear Mr H,

 

I can assure you without hesitation that PJ's statement regarding the bank is an outrageous lie. Why he would make such an inaccurate remark in public is beyond me, other than in malice.

 

The interesting point from my perspective is the detractors cannot fault the bid so they discredit the man - but of course Mo is but one person as there is a team of people behind him and this bid, all of whom bring experience and expertise in the running of a football club.

 

One could of course question the credentials of the board members before V2001 (and I stand to be corrected) because I do not believe any of them had experience in running a football club - yet they are now qualified to judge others.

 

All I ask is the matter is now put to the shareholders, bypassing the board. However I suspect a number of the shareholders hold a nostalgic view of the board and so will vote with their heart not head.

 

C'est la vie.

 

Kind Regards

 

Thanks for the reply, LB, and good luck.

[Jason]

Very interesting is the fact that you once again spout some more bile, Rob. If you have got some concerns over " What you have been told " then go and ask MC direct to his face. The only problem being is that you don't actually have a question, just insinuation.

 

When you find this ideal investor that you seem to think exists, then i hope not too much damage has been done to PVFC in this time. It may only football to you Rob, but it's a big part of a lot of people's lives, something to look forward to ( idealy ).

 

Do us a favour and ask MC or LB in private ( seeing as you seem to be scared of legal action ) about your concerns. Mo Chaudry has a hell of a lot to lose here, but with rumblings of no substance such as yours, then so do PVFC and it's fans.

 

spot on Craig. Rob, with respect, you are unwittingly creating the ultimate irony....unless you can back up what you say, you sound like the people berated in your avatar

[TheLegalBeagle]

The bigger question is why are people so taken with him? The only reason seems to be 'he's got money and he's saying the right things'.

 

Some people are so adamant about getting the current board out that they don't stop and think what would happen if he got off his white horse and didn't turn out to be the saviour everyone assumes he is.

 

I seriously think he could be a poorer version of Mike Ashley.

 

Dear Suge1w,

 

I will happily address any concerns you may wish to ask of me by PM if that will assist.

 

As for the Mike Ashley analogy

 

Kind Regards

[TheLegalBeagle]

One of the other things you hear from the pro Mo fans is ..... "If the anti Mo lot have any actual evidence of dodgy practices against Mo, lets hear them on the forum".

 

This rather simplistic outlook fails to consider that succesful businessmen with "colourful" pasts and questionable practices are rarely stupid enough to leave hard evidence of these practices lying around. They cover their tracks well. They also have considerable financial might and will use the full force of the legal system to come down on anybody that accuses them of something specific without being able to back it up.

 

Hence i wont be putting out the specifics of what i have heard on OVF. But i am one supporter who thinks the fact that the police found it nessesary to investigate messers Ibbs, Meredith and Chaudry very intetesting.

 

Dear SD,

 

I remain willing to address any concerns you may wish to raise by PM.

 

As an aside no person should be able to accuse another of any wrongdoing without evidence or proof to substantiate such allegation - is that not the backbone of a civilised society?

 

The police find it necessary to investigate many allegations and you presume guilt by association?

 

As I say if you want to speak with either myself or Mo to allay any fears or concerns you may have then the offer is there.

 

Kind Regards

[Valiant Haze]

One of the other things you hear from the pro Mo fans is ..... "If the anti Mo lot have any actual evidence of dodgy practices against Mo, lets hear them on the forum".

 

This rather simplistic outlook fails to consider that succesful businessmen with "colourful" pasts and questionable practices are rarely stupid enough to leave hard evidence of these practices lying around. They cover their tracks well. They also have considerable financial might and will use the full force of the legal system to come down on anybody that accuses them of something specific without being able to back it up.

 

Hence i wont be putting out the specifics of what i have heard on OVF. But i am one supporter who thinks the fact that the police found it nessesary to investigate messers Ibbs, Meredith and Chaudry very intetesting.

 

Very interesting is the fact that you once again spout some more bile, Rob. If you have got some concerns over " What you have been told " then go and ask MC direct to his face. The only problem being is that you don't actually have a question, just insinuation.

 

When you find this ideal investor that you seem to think exists, then i hope not too much damage has been done to PVFC in this time. It may only football to you Rob, but it's a big part of a lot of people's lives, something to look forward to ( idealy ).

 

Do us a favour and ask MC or LB in private ( seeing as you seem to be scared of legal action ) about your concerns. Mo Chaudry has a hell of a lot to lose here, but with rumblings of no substance such as yours, then so do PVFC and it's fans.

Dear SD,

 

I remain willing to address any concerns you may wish to raise by PM.

 

As an aside no person should be able to accuse another of any wrongdoing without evidence or proof to substantiate such allegation - is that not the backbone of a civilised society?

 

The police find it necessary to investigate many allegations and you presume guilt by association?

 

As I say if you want to speak with either myself or Mo to allay any fears or concerns you may have then the offer is there.

 

Kind Regards

There you go, Rob. Now let's see you actually try and put something in your bucket from all your digging.

[Jacko51]

Re the Mike Ashley analogy drawn above. He is another maniac but Newcastle are far better off financially than they were when he took over .... at that stage they were within a whisker of administration thanks to the incompetent management of the club by life long Toon fan Freddy Shepherd. And I absolutely guarantee that the majority of Newcastle fans would rather keep Ashley that have Shepherd back.

[Smallthorne Dog]

Very interesting is the fact that you once again spout some more bile, Rob. If you have got some concerns over " What you have been told " then go and ask MC direct to his face. The only problem being is that you don't actually have a question, just insinuation.

 

When you find this ideal investor that you seem to think exists, then i hope not too much damage has been done to PVFC in this time. It may only football to you Rob, but it's a big part of a lot of people's lives, something to look forward to ( idealy ).

 

Do us a favour and ask MC or LB in private ( seeing as you seem to be scared of legal action ) about your concerns. Mo Chaudry has a hell of a lot to lose here, but with rumblings of no substance such as yours, then so do PVFC and it's fans.

 

I think you are right VH, maybe im not as passionate about it as some seem to be. I certainly dont understand the need for abusing players, trashing directors cars, and the manager needing protection from the supporters, no matter how bad they are. Because, yes, to me its football and there are more important things in my life than it.

 

Thats not to say i dont want the best for the club i support. V2001 clearly arent what is required to remedy our ills, that has been plain to see for at least 4 years. But im equally entitled to voice a scepticism about Mo Chaudry. I dont have to back it up with evidence it is an opinion based on information recieved from someone i trust ( hearsay in your view). Its just a difference of opinion.

[Jacko51]

I think you are right VH, maybe im not as passionate about it as some seem to be. I certainly dont understand the need for abusing players, trashing directors cars, and the manager needing protection from the supporters, no matter how bad they are. Because, yes, to me its football and there are more important things in my life than it.

 

Thats not to say i dont want the best for the club i support. V2001 clearly arent what is required to remedy our ills, that has been plain to see for at least 4 years. But im equally entitled to voice a scepticism about Mo Chaudry. I dont have to back it up with evidence it is an opinion based on information recieved from someone i trust ( hearsay in your view). Its just a difference of opinion.

 

On a scale of 1 to 10 of dodginess where 1 is "claims OAP discount when only 59", to 10 "willing to rob own granny blind", Rob, how would you rate:

 

1) Mo Chaudry

2) The Mad Axe Man of Brown Edge?