Ched Evans to sign? Please Smurf NO.

[geosname]

Didn't she herself deny that she was drunk when she left that nightclub. Wasn't it her who can remember the exact amount of drinks that she consumed, and wasn't it her who said that was an average intake of alcohol for her? Wasn't it her who claimed she couldn't remember because her drink was spiked? Although no date rape drugs were found in her system.

 

How many drivers deny they are over the limit?

Can any drunk remember the exact amount of drinks they had? can they ever be sure?

Doesnt rohypnol/ ghb dissipate from the system rapidly, leaving no trace to be found? and cause memory loss?

[P.E. ST6]

How many drivers deny they are over the limit?

Can any drunk remember the exact amount of drinks they had? can they ever be sure?

Doesnt rohypnol/ ghb dissipate from the system rapidly, leaving no trace to be found? and cause memory loss?

What has this got to do with drivers though? Why would she deny she was drunk? Surely if she was drunk she would say yes that helps her case more surely.

 

Rohypnol stays in the system for a couple of days as does ghb.

[geosname]

I am not qualified no, the expert who put the evidence forward in court is though.

 

Did that expert say how that amount of alcohol would affect her personally? or was it a general X amount over the driving limit?

Did the expert say that she was not under the influence of a date rape drug? or a general no drug was found?

[P.E. ST6]

How many drivers deny they are over the limit?

Can any drunk remember the exact amount of drinks they had? can they ever be sure?

Doesnt rohypnol/ ghb dissipate from the system rapidly, leaving no trace to be found? and cause memory loss?

If she did consume rohypnol and suffered memory loss that's exactly what would happen. Not selective memory loss like she claims she can remember getting the pizza.

[P.E. ST6]

Did that expert say how that amount of alcohol would affect her personally? or was it a general X amount over the driving limit?

Did the expert say that she was not under the influence of a date rape drug? or a general no drug was found?

The only drug found in her system was cocaine and marijuana which of course she can't remember taking although it had already been in her system for days.

 

This expert said the alcohol in her system was not enough to cause memory loss. He also put it forward to the judge that she was lying when she kept saying she couldn't remember.

[geosname]

Did they specifically test for rohypnol?

[P.E. ST6]

Did they specifically test for rohypnol?

Well if she has woken up with apparent memory loss I should hope they tested for numerous date rape drugs yet none were found.

[geosname]

PE ST6.... I dont have any answers... just questions... apart from a couple of "lads" comments [for lack of a better description]... decent debate.

[P.E. ST6]

PE ST6.... I dont have any answers... just questions... apart from a couple of "lads" comments [for lack of a better description]... decent debate.

To be fair I don't think Judge or Jury had any answers.

 

This is what the judge said when sentencing Evans to 5 years.

 

"CCTV footage shows, in my view, the extent of her intoxication when she stumbled into your friend. (Clayton)

 

"As the jury have found, she was in no condition to have sexual intercourse.

 

"When you arrived at the hotel, you must have realised that."

 

Yet moments before he made this speech he acquitted Clayton of any wrong doing. He clearly states that when she met Clayton she was to intoxicated to be having intercourse yet Clayton still took her back to the hotel and had sex with her.

[Trampilot]

Mentioning drink drivers a few posts back I'll tie that in with codes of conduct.

 

The PR for drink drive campaigns often state one of the bad side effects of getting convicted is losing your job. Certainly if you are a professional driver. Wider still the gent who avoided paying his trainfares for years can no longer work in finance.

 

Many professions have codes of conduct which mean that even behaviour outside of the work environment would have a detrimental effect. Is it because football is perceived different because it is predominantly a male environment so drinking heavily, gambling and womanising is accpeted? Just a thought for the pot.

[JOHNNYAITCH]

Anyone can refuse to employ anyone else

 

There are all sorts of laws around refusing employment and discrimination (race, gender, sexuality, age etc) I was wondering what the law says about having a conviction for rape being the sole reason for refusal

[JOHNNYAITCH]

Not at the moment. Though if you're a track and field athlete you can have facilites, funding and sponsorship withdrawn. Part of your contract includes a behavioural bond. There is no reason football shouldn't be the same.

 

That is totally different to banning someone

 

Clubs are free not to employ him, sponsors are free not to support him etc..that's not the same as actually banning him from playing

[JOHNNYAITCH]

Is it a crime to have sex with a drunk girl?

 

If she's drunk enough to be unable to say no or indeed too drunk tio say yes then yes it is. It's pretty simple.the jury was aked to judge whether she was capabvle of giving consent and they decided that she was not

 

If Evans himself was also drunk doesn't that balance things out?

 

Eh? if a bloke raped him when he was incapable of giving consent then yes. It's not a simple question of being the worse for drink but being so drunk that one cannot consent

 

He didn't invite his mates to watch he told them wait outside. What they did was down to their own actions and has nothing to do with Evans himself surely?

 

If he didn't invite them then yes not down to him

[JOHNNYAITCH]

So what the justice system is saying is that once a woman has too many shandys she is incapable of making her own decisions and that we as men (regardless of how drunk we are) have to make them for them?

 

No the law says you have a reponsibility as a decent human being not to take advantage of her inability to say no

[JOHNNYAITCH]

For me there are two issues specific to Ched Evans

 

1 Did he "do it"..due process is being followed on that and he like veryone else should wait for the result of that. Until he's not a convicted rapist he should be treated as a convicted rapist

 

2 As a convicted rapist should he be allowed if a club is willing to take him on to continue his football career..for me yes.

 

As a general point no bloke should take advantage of a girls inability to to say no....if you encounter an attractive drunken girl, why not look after her?