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But they've been answered. Asking again and again won't change the answers nor the situation. That's the point.

Spot on. People love asking the same questions over and over, when most have been answered to a large degree by both Carol and DF, simply because they don't like the answers given as it doesn't suit their rhetoric or agenda

Simply my own opinion of the percentage success of that season's incomings (the named players). The total incoming is the first number of each line

Don't get in the way of a good OVF 'fact' from Dave in the pub

You can't just isolate DF in all of this. Who employs DF? Carol. Who hired DF? Carol. Who continues to support DF? Carol. Without Carol, there's no DF. To suggest that he's got her over a barrel, has brainwashed her is both ridiculous and insulting to Carols intelligence. For the record, I love Carol. We'll NEVER get an owner who genuinely wants the best for the club as she does. I trust her judgement, and don't pretend to know the ins and outs of bringing players in. I swear some of you think it's as easy as saying oh, we want him and they magically arrive and will be guaranteed successes. DF is really no better or worse in the transfer market than how it worked previously imho. This is my take on the last few years recruitment success to this season ('success' being very generously applied by and large): PRE DF: 9 - Grimmer, Lines, Dickinson, Griffith - 44% 24 - Veseli, Andoh, Marshall, Streete - 16% 13 - Ikpeazu, Inniss, Alnwick, Streete, Foley - 38% 30 - Jones, Eagles, Bikey - 10% 29 - Worrall, Whitfield, Pope - 10% 22 - Clark, Conlon, Oyeleke, Legge, Joyce, Brown - 27% 16 - Taylor, Amoo, Burgess - 19% 13 - Rodney - 8% POST DF 23 - Cass, Politic, Harratt, Garrity, Benning, Jones, Pett, Walker, Wilson, Proctor, Hall, Charsley - 52% 15 - Harrison, Butterworth, Ojo, Forrester - 26% 20 - Ripley, Devine, Arblaster, Chislett, Debrah, Sang - 30% Do any of you actually know what role DC and AC have played in recruitment? Do you really believe that DF signs every player on a whim and does not consult the manager at all?

So those who won't agree with the perceived 'majority' view will be scabs and it's a case of mob rule? Jesus Christ

So sick of all the name calling, abuse, etc being directed at all and sundry on social media and at games. Most of you are grown men FFS. Surely the most effective way for those who want to protest is to vote with your feet and your wallets. Don't go to games, don't buy a ST, and basically don't put any money into the club at all. This will give Carol only 3 options: 1. Increase her subsidy of the club to keep it going and DF in place; 2. Sell the club, which would mean DF goes too; 3. Get rid of DF and hope the missing fans return. Hitting someone in their pocket is usually the most guaranteed way to effect the change that some of you crave

I admire your optimism re DM but I've seen nothing to suggest he's the great manager many have made him out to be. Even DC managed to take stock of and then organise and galvanise the worst Vale squad in 20 years into an effective unit to achieve what was needed

@Brian johnson I concede defeat. Today has broke me to be honest. But this has at least made me feel a bit better. See you all next season

So to sum up: 1. I wasn't personally invited to this meeting so I'm not happy; 2. The statement doesn't include a second by second account of what went on so I'm not happy; 3. The statement doesn't say exactly what I want to happen so I'm not happy; 4. On account of the foregoing, I'll presume every negative thing I can from what I don't know went on. Some of you don't half love banging your gums incessantly. Until DF goes, it's clear that some are never going to accept anything coming out of the club. Then it'll move on to blaming DF for everything in the years after that as being a legacy from his involvement, before the blame for a failed signing moves to Carol/new manager. I really don't know why Carol bothers.

Let's see how they do in the next match before declaring it works wonders

You and fckin Bill Bratt! [emoji1787]

My point was, as I think you know, is that those who choose to withdraw their support for the club financially lose credibility should they then demand more investment, better players, higher wage budget, etc, as some no doubt will. I at no point questioned anybody's credibility in being a supporter per se.

Easy innit.

We all care, of that I have little doubt. But we choose to express it in very different ways. Remember that. To me, mine is not a choice - Support the club by way of my small contribution each year through a ST etc, and attend the games and get behind whoever is on the pitch. Yours is different, from next season, and that's your choice, but personally i think those who withdraw their financial support and then will still come on here moaning and demanding more investment etc lose a little bit of credibility. Just my opinion.

Not sure I'll enjoy every second but I rarely do. That's what being a Vale fan is like. Same to you - As you're not going, I trust that you'll be a lot happier and won't be on here feeling the need to moan [emoji16]

Your concern for my welfare has touched me. But I'll be reet thanks [emoji16]

I was responding to you saying that they were under contract for next season. Nothing more than that

Wilson and Uche aren't I don't think, though I stand to be corrected. Not convinced Massey is either.

And who's that?

FFS..... The guy who happily admitted he couldn't give a toss except to pick up his wage and go drinking when he wasn't first choice any more. Just the professionalism we need. Clarke called out the 'deadwood'. And it worked. Pope was one of the deadwood. Since he's left Congleton, they're on for promotion. Sound familiar?

We had 140 years without a DOF and aside from the JR era have been largely gash. In 3 full seasons with a DOF we've had a promotion, a poor season and what is looking like a relegation. So little on the pitch seems to have changed. Off the pitch the DOF does seem to be improving us

Of course

Certainly seems that way, particularly Ojo who seems to have thrown his toys out because AC was sacked. He was so lackadaisical today it beggars belief. This is what really annoys me about footballers. Have some pride for yourself FFS. Any other profession and he'd be ripe to be sacked

Clarke sorted the even worse shower we had 4 years ago. Then got rid of them. Sign of a great manager. Moore seems to have no gameplan at all, no tactical awareness, no motivation skills, and frankly no clue. We look worse by some degree since he joined. Sign of a bad manager