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  1. Nobody knows this season's wages outside the FA and the club. This site says our wages for this season are less than last; which I suspect in incorrect.
  2. 2022/23 season Chesterfield and Stockport had the same revenues (within 50k) but Stockport's loss was 2 million more than Chesterfield. Don't know what Stockport paid their players as they don't release that information but Chesterfield spent 3.25 million on their player's wages. You'd imagine a reasonable part of the extra 2 million in loses was either transfer fees or wages.
  3. For a lot of the clubs history the old league 2 was also the same as league 4 ... it was also the bottom league. We were also fortunate to be in league 2 when league 3 South was formed, as only 2 teams a season were relegated. We also dropped out of the football league twice during the first 20 odd years of it's existence; once for quite a few seasons. What we now think of the football league was initially anything but. Teams in the South were all amateur and some northwest teams paid some of there players. It was a league set up for the small area of the country where clubs were allowed to pay some or all their players (basically Liverpool to Birmingham down what is now the M6). Broadly the same situation as the breakaway of Rugby League and Union. Division 3 was set up initially to expand the football league to the south. The first relegated team was Grimsby; which prompted a Division 3 North to be formed due to the travelling they had to do in their first season. A lot of clubs were mainly semi professional for quite a long time. I think the last semi professional we had was Mark Bright for his first year at the club. I'm pretty sure one of Ridley or Tartt was initially semi professional in the 70 when first signed. A far more realistic time to judge is probably post 1958 when we were founder members of the 4th division when it was started. Without knowing the figures I'd guess we've spent 1/3 of the time in league 2 (league 4), half in league 1 (league 3) and maybe 1/6 in The Championship (league 2). Certainly anything pre WW II is meaningless. You could make a case anything pre Bosman is meaningless.
  4. Chesterfield's wages and loss last season were almost identical to ours. It may go up a little and ours may go down marginally but they aren't as well funded as Stockport or Wrexham. A lot of the Salt money has gone into training facilities and developing community initiatives.
  5. Hard one to call. I'm pretty sure Dipepa will be gone, one of the big clubs will put in a crazy offer. Not really sure what the market value of either of the others. Garrity is similar to Earle and Taylor but both a little older and not quite as good. Chislett is younger and technically a better player. Not quite as dynamic. Garrity could possibly get a Championship offer, Chislett maybe one of the bigger league 1 clubs.
  6. Bradford have been well funded and stuck in League 2 for a while. I suspect our funding will be on a par with most of the teams in the playoff positions. Bradford, Notts County, maybe MK Dons, Carlisle and Gillingham are the only clubs who will probably have bigger budgets. Clearly we aren't Wrexham or Stockport who could buy the league. We'll have a top 10 budget. A lot then depends on recruitment and luck with injuries.
  7. The priority for the club must be to decide whether they cash in on Garrity and Chislett. If they are going to then really they can recruit for any formation. If they aren't then we need to play mainly with two 10s. Played consistently as a 10 Garrity would have scored 15 plus goals. He's decent playing deeper but not irreplaceable playing deeper. On the assumption both stay we then need 2 strikers, another player as a 10, 2 midfield players, at least one left sided player and one right. Uche, Wilson, Massey and Cass will be let go. The 4 loan players to leave. Pretty much as much as they can do with the number of contracted players.
  8. I think you are spot on. The problem with placing under performing players on the transfer list is you can't really replace them until they move. The seasons we've listed a few players have tended to end badly. Having 3 or 4 unhappy players inside the club doesn't seem to end well in general. Short-term the focus needs to be replacing what we can. We must have spent a reasonable amount on the loans, so there's some money there. They also need to revisit the quality to quantity argument. Last season there was a lack of quality, yet when injuries hit there was a lack of quantity. My own opinion is our best 11 was good enough to stay up. 2 or 3 injuries and we were miles off. I don't think we had more than average injuries.
  9. He hasn't played the whole season being shoehorned in at RWB, he's played a few times in central midfield. He's just been poor when he's had the opportunity. His best game by far was as a right centrehalf. Despite someone recently changing his Wikipedia page Sang has played over 75% of his games at rightback or right wingback. Initially I had thought his problem in midfield and on the right was a lack of pace. He actually isn't that slow running forward. He is that slow running backwards in defence. He also just doesn't read the game defensively in either position. Whatever decisions he makes defensively end up being wrong. His general passing is just hit and miss. His only attribute this season has been his crossing at times. He'll still he here next season but he's in danger of falling out of the league for good thereafter. He's never held a regular position at either of his loans, Cardiff or with Vale. He's 25 in a couple of weeks and should now be at his peak. With the exception of the one game at right centrehalf his peak has looked several leagues below league 2.
  10. Played as a winger for us. Doesn't surprise me he's playing a little further back. Don't think he played a lot for us but my recollection was he was better running into space than creating his own space in tight situations. He was also quite well built. It's not unusual for that type of young winger to end up more successful at fullback. He's dropped down to National League a couple of times as I'm pretty sure he was at Aldershot for a while after leaving one of the London clubs. I can't think of any players who've made a success of their 3rd opportunity at league level.
  11. I suspect this will be at least a 2 year rebuild. Hopefully we can get Walters and Shorrock tied down on contracts. Dipepa will almost certainly leave but that will give us some money to play with. Priority has to be sorting the perennial leftback/ left wingback position and centreforward. Also tough calls on Chislett and Garrity as they only have 12 months on their contracts. I'd be surprised if either ever sign new contracts; so do we cash in and reinvest, or accept we lose both in 12 months? If we keep those 2 I think we need to play both just behind a main striker. Garrity is a little wasted as a sitting midfield player. If we'd recruited a decent midfield player to play alongside Ojo with Garrity further forward I suspect we'd have stayed up. We are stuck with quite a lot of the squad. Positive is the 5 youth players have shown some fortitude in difficult times. We need midfield reinforcement to play alongside Ojo if he stays. We are stuck with 5 centrehalves (Lowe can't play any other position) unless someone is daft enough to buy one. Sang is a conundrum to solve. There is something there and he's under contract. He's not a rightback or holding midfield player. Hopefully Clark can play a full season. If we can solve the centreforward and leftback problem I think we have enough to be just behind the playoffs.
  12. Well at least we showed some heart today. If we'd played like today second half against Exeter we'd still be in with a chance. Bottom line there were 7 poor sides in the league. Our results home and away against the other 6 (7 points in 11 games against those teams) has cost us dearly. The bottom line is the other bad teams picked up 26 points against us and with the exception of Cambridge and Burton they've done less well than us against sides outside that mini league. Can't remember the Cambridge game, so I suspect I was on a plane somewhere. Carlisle, Burton, Fleetwood, Cheltenham and Shrewsbury were no better than us overall, vitally they were just streetwise enough to take points off us in tight games. Overall this season Portsmouth, Peterborough, Bolton and Derby clearly have way more quality than the rest. When at their best those 4 are better than the rest at their best. It's unrealistic to expect that type of quality in a club of our size. Outside those 4 I do feel we are able to compete; provided young players come through, we are able to recruit a little better and probably have a season with a bit of luck linked to injuries to key players. Big question for next season is do we look for experience in the hope of a quick return; or younger players with the potential to develop into league 1 players.
  13. The only stat that matters is 0 - 0. They have some very very good players. I'm not sure that any of our 11 would get on their bench. Listened to the home audio on iplayer going home from the beach prior to kickoff. They are prone to losing games on the counter when all over teams. Think that is the only hope. There is no way we have the players to play this Bolton side off the park.
  14. I'd agree with that. The gulf between league 1 and 2 is massive this time. The other difference during this league one stay has been how few of our players were ready for the step up. Proctor, Wilson, Garrity, Worrall, Connor Hall and Smith were probably the only players in any way good enough. Proctor and Wilson had unusual relatively injury free seasons when we went up. Worrall was very much at the end of his career. When we went up in 86 we had Jones, Earle, Bromage and Walker; who were all young enough to kick on and old enough to be experienced.
  15. Maybe, it's never taken more than 5 years to get out of league 2/4. I'd be a little surprised if we go straight back up.
  16. Evey season roughly 1 : 6 teams get relegated. I think this will be my 7th relegation in 55 seasons. It's never been the end of the world some predict. Yes it's extremely disappointing but history also shows we bounce back.
  17. I wouldn't have appointed Moore personally. I preferred Derek Adams as he has been successful with small budgets. Not getting Wednesday promoted from this league would have been poor considering their budget. I don't think we should sack any manager without 18 months in position. Football results aren't just down to how good a manager is. There's players at their disposal and frankly luck plays a large part in it. A big part of luck is key players being injury free. First half of the Adams promotion season we were fortunate JMW, Vincent, Morsy, Pope and Neal were largely injury free prior to Christmas. All 3 Rudge promotions involved key players like Earle, Walker and Beckford having full seasons. Luck in games also evens out of time but often not in a season. Although I don't want him sacked it must be said I think he has probably done worse than Crosby would with the players available. I believe his win %age is significantly below Crosby, Brown, Sinnott, Buttler and even Dean Glover. He's certainly not a miracle worker but we will see how he does next season with a preseason to set his own mark on things.
  18. I think that is the bottom line. The is a seriously moronic part of OVF who seem to truely believe there is a long queue of billionaires wanting to fund Vale. There isn't and until there is there is it's Carol or Barrett's Homes as realistic options.
  19. If the bookies were watching the game at 2-1 they'd have offered 10-1 odds on for Exeter to win.
  20. I've only done 52 but I've seen similar. They tend to happen when there is an issue between the manager and the players. It was an issue at the end of Askey's tenure, although that has been well documented by the main protagonist. There was a spell at the end of Aspin's, McGrath's and certainly Butler's reigns when it was clear players had lost faith.
  21. I suspect the halftime talk was all about keeping their shape defensively and defending the box. What it ended up as was old fashioned attack vs defense. Moore does seem to be instinctively negative. When Uche came off we were crying out for someone to hold the ball up but Loft is clearly on the naughty step. Dipepa struggles to do a full 90 but was kept on all game. I do wonder if Moore has lost the dressing room, or if he ever really had it. Whatever the plan was at halftime the players didn't look like they believed in it. After the substitutions at the end it was clear there was no plan. Still he was the clear fan's favourite on the message boards so I guess we got what the majority of us wanted.
  22. I am bemused as to what the manager thought he was doing with the substitutions. Possibly the worst 45 minutes of football I've seen.
  23. Came as a centreforward. Came back each preseason 2 stone overweight! Became a great midfielder.
  24. Shuker was no longer a winger when we signed him. He played the Luke Joyce role in the first half of the promotion season and adapted to it very competently. For me he did it much better than Joyce. Too often Vale fans forget how good we were first half of that season. When the window opened we were top of the league. Second half of the season with the big names we were 10th or 11th in the form tables. We scrapped promotion due to Lee Collins most important Vale Park goal. He had a big impact on Sam Morsy and taught him you didn't need to kick players 10 foot up in the air to win the ball if you could read a game and got your positioning right. He had massive knee problems throughout his Vale career and was often playing in a lot of pain, so was never able to run full speed, or train properly. He was so small he tried to become a jockey after football!
  25. He was but he'd dropped down to Orient ( I think) when we signed him. If we had one of Bogie, Taylor, Horton, Brammer, Earle, Van Der Laan or Walker today I'd be way more confident. Even Sam Foley or Michael O'Connor would significantly improve us.
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