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55 minutes ago, Jim Gammon said:
I know but they are a long wait. I missed the start of the Boro game waiting for mine.
You'll be fine mate against Harrogate and the like especially a night match . Be no queues those games.
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9 minutes ago, JoeB2 said:
She paid around £5m and had loaned us, interest-free, £8m, over 5 years.
Of course the losses are greater now, but that’s down to two factors:
1. Losses are higher across the football pyramid. Nearly every club is insolvent and reliant on director’s loans. Our losses have been very manageable (1m a year) until last season where clearly we made a dog’s breakfast out of League 1. Comparing losses for previous owners is useless.
2. 3.4m is a fairly standard loss for League 1. Very normal. It’s bad for us, but common for a lot of teams. You have to be spending way in excess of what you bring in to compete. Unfortunately, Carol fell for the BS from Flitcroft and consequently the money was poorly spent.
It’s clearly ‘give Carol a kicking’ season which is understandable- her poor leadership has squandered the opportunity created in May 2022 and set us back several years and several million. She should have listened earlier and set up a far better quality assurance structure to assess where the money was going.
I’m not coming out to bat for her. I was raising concerns in the immediate summer after promotion where our signings were non-existent and we played minimal friendlies. I had worries in January 2022 when we seemed to bundle home a load of questionable signings and very nearly fell out of the playoffs. It was a circus then, held together by a very good manager.
However, let us not rewrite history. Carol’s first two seasons were Covid-impacted, and in her first full season with fans we went up. Survival in League 1 was acceptable, if underwhelming last year, and then this year has been a disaster.
Folks emotionally predicting we’re on our way to non-league, that Carol has killed us, and that she hasn’t a clue what she’s doing are (in my view) emotionally and angrily lashing out after a relegation.
The fundamental truth, however some try to twist it, is that PVFC will always incur losses of at least 1m a year (as every club does) and someone has to pick up that bill. Carol is the current fool daft enough to do so, for the ego trip and adrenaline rush.
I’m really not bothered about apologies or ‘taking responsibility’, or making her March through Burslem whilst we chant ‘shame’ At her.
She just needs to quietly and without fuss go away, learn from the mistakes, and do what she did in 21/22. Moore’s rumoured wage suggests she is more than happy to throw more money at the financial black hole of PVFC. The alternative is she sells up, incurring about a £10m loss, to (most likely) a consortium of investors who would again have to foot the losses, without the attachment to the club or area.
We will be absolutely fine next year, and if I had to bet, I’d assume we’d have a fairly successful year considering the weakness of League 2 24/25. The cloth will have to be cut a large amount (which is probably going to force much-needed efficiencies) and the off-field structure needs completely reshaping, but as a serial moaner who is never satisfied I’m rather sanguine about it all.
The compounding effect of so many losses over the last 18 months have absolutely battered the fanbase emotionally. Everyone is knackered. There’s an intensity to how awful we’ve been. We’ve been crap for ages. We need the season to finish and to all find something else to do for 3 months. PVFC will be fine under Carol Shanahan - as much as that appears to be a controversial view on this thread.
Good post Joe.
Part I don't agree with is the weakness of the league. I get that Stockport and Wrexham have bypassed us. But there are always flies in the ointment and surprises.
Who'd of called Orient as Champions and Stevenage runners up last season.
You only have to look at our friends from Swindon since the play off semi to see how it can go.
I sadly anticipate a minimum of 5 years again meandering around before we are back. It's the Vale cycle.
By which time another 5 years of my life has passed and I'm in my 60's.
Success next season seems a forlorn hope to me with this sad bunch of losers. I hope I'm wrong obviously but weaker league or not there are still plenty of candidates to go up.
Cheltenham,MK Dons , Doncaster who are ending the season tremendously. We need another reset which will cost a packet.
I don't want to turn up in August with Jones,Lowe,Massey,Loft, Debrah,Grant etc still at the club .
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1 hour ago, Fosse69 said:
Did she set a timescale for the Championship? Was it for the infrastructure? How are the players to be funded before the Academy is in full production?
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She cited the Plymouth model as one to follow.
However they had a season of consolidation. Then missed the play offs on the last day, followed by the title the season after.
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1 hour ago, ollyandpatch said:
Who would have thought back in July we could be relegated in mid April but although the official (R) will not be placed after our name because of the goal difference we could be 99.9% relegated on Tuesday if results don't go our way.
Shrewsbury 0 Wycombe 2 on Saturday so like Exeter another team that have not yet placed down their beach towels.
Last one out turn the light off.....
As with Brian i called it in May. As soon as we appointed Crosby.
I'm not going to trawl through threads to find it.
Words to the effect of he's our manager now I'm fully behind him , but there's only one way this is ending.
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0-3. Another team some expected would be cannon fodder like Exeter.
Don't know if they are still horrible and physical. Either way they'll have too much.
25 months since a home league win under the lights.
I anticipate that will stretch to 28 or 29 months after Tuesday.
Can't wait for this abysmal season to end.
3-3-12 reads our last 18 homes. Utter disgrace to the shirt.
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Oh well . Another to add to the list of calamities.
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31 minutes ago, Brian Johnson said:
Is that the second time Loft's been injured in the warm up?
Yes . Coincidence?
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1 minute ago, ollyandpatch said:
Walsall home and away so probably looking at mid table.
Throw Chesterfield in the mix who I anticipate will challenge for successive promotions.
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33 minutes ago, osprey said:
The thing that sticks for me is that I watched a dreadful game at Exeter earlier in the season where Exeter were even worse than us
Now look at it - Exeter recruited well and are miles ahead of where Vale ☹️
They also lost two really big players. Nombe and Brown. Staggering how we've ballsed this up.
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The more I think about this collapse today.
Were it Pompey or Derby who came from 2 down to beat us I'd still be fuming but accepting that they are going for promotion.
To actually do it against a mid table experimental team with nothing to play for is an achievement in itself.
A laughing stock you've made us today . Shame on you.
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Only just spotted that Altrincham are in the play offs.
That would be a local ish game. I'm already salivating at the prospect.
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Wouldn't be surprised if we finish 23rd .
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1 minute ago, Nippy Naylor said:
Spill the beans , are you on about Moore
Convinced he'll walk .
Be proclaimed as mutual agreement.
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2 minutes ago, Lornelounger said:
Look at our history Doha - that is the point I was trying to make. We have done this down the years time after time. If you have followed us over any length of time, you must know that. I'm not belittling your support of the Vale, I'm saying that if you lose your rag over getting relegated, or being under the threat of relegation, or being crap over a period of games, or collapsing after being ahead, then you you you've forgotten what it is like to be a Vale fan - because we do that a lot of the time. That's all. No need for going off on one and using the words you did. But I understand you are upset too, and if that makes me sanctimonious, I'll wear it, I'm not that bothered.
People are upset mate because this is of our own doing.
This was so avoidable fans saw this coming months ago.
Mismanaged from the very top has caused this demise.
Didn't need a crystal ball in November to see what was possible.
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Maybe she can stick 7 million on us going down at 1/7 with Bet365.
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1 minute ago, NW9Valiant said:
I can't bring myself to listen to Moore's post match comments, what has he said?
Started off probably with the words ....Yeah no.
Pet hate of mine 🙃.
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1/7 now with the bookies .
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1 minute ago, NW9Valiant said:
@Dipepa delight stop quoting your own damn posts ffs unless you've got something to add, it's annoying.
I'm really at a loss with this result right now. Trying to figure out what is the way forward because I'd be rollicking the players for that second half.
I just fear we'll hear lots of crap like 'if we play like we did first half, we will stay up'
I'm still waiting for someone to say we can still catch Shrewsbury.
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2 minutes ago, eh up nah said:
I guess we can take heart from that cup run after all then.
Middlesbrough aside we'll be in the same division as every team we played next season
As long as Sutton down go into the conference
Jesus christ mate, please don't big up the <ovf censored> cup run
The Mansfield win has played a big part in our demise. It kept Crosby in a job far too long.
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1 minute ago, Bimbleabout said:
Absolute farce. Tactically inept 2nd half after bossing the first half.
Deserve to go down, sick and tired of it. Embarrassing and cringe worthy 2nd half. Just keep at them and win the fking game, but no, let's sit deep etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.
Torn by not wanting to go Tuesday and literally don't know what to do. Nice one Vale. Absolute cowards second half.You probably need to go mate. Once you get out of the habit it's hard to motivate yourself.
I've missed the last 4 homes as they've drained my appetite to go.
Worryingly I don't miss it one bit.
The most unlikeable bunch I can recall , even with Sam Kelly and Reggie we had gallows humour and took it to the last game.
This bunch have made me fall out of love with the club. I don't feel they represent me.
And I've probably seen at least 5 relegation seasons. This is the worst.
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1 minute ago, Sam Kelly's Left Boot said:
Fully deserve to go down. Absolutely shocking.
My mate backed Exeter at 50/1 at HT ... predictable Vale.
I had the draw at 4/1 as soon as they made it 2-1. For some reason only known to myself I didn't foresee a defeat which was 16/1 at 2-1 .
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Lost 12 home games. 12. Effing 12 .
That's after winning our first 3.
So lost 12 of last 18.
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4 minutes ago, Houston Valiant said:
Moore has a <ovf censored> team to work with , Garrity and Chislett aside, but a good manager, k owing what’s at stake , would have tore into them at half time , telling them to go for the jugular in the 2nd half. Instead of being 10 yards inside our own half, we should have been 20 yards inside theirs. This season has been awful though. Flitcroft, Carol with her naughty boys letter, way too many staff , and a team that doesn’t give a <ovf censored>. The town of Burslem deserves so much more than that.
Chuck in her grabbing the mic after Lincoln. Phenomenal players and the coaches wives know how good we are. She said Moore knew first 3 games would be a learning curve insinuating 3 successive defeats was okay. Clueless.
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6 minutes ago, DazFred said:
I have credit to Moore for getting us out of the bottom 4 last week.
I have repeatedly said we are worse under him. That defeat is solely down to him. It was clear he changed tactics and sat back against a team who came back from 2-0 in the week.
I came away at 3-2 and that's me done for the season. He'll talk his usual drivel and I can't stand him as a manager. He set us up to fail in the second half.
2 wins in 14. Our GD has worsened by double since he arrived. And there's 5 more years of him
2 in 20 mate for the club as a whole.
We've improved not one bit under Moore.
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Carol Shanahan.
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I know mate. Wishful thinking on my part. Was hoping for amicable parting of ways.