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1 minute ago, philpvfc said:
If you look at the average points per manager then he may not be a clown.
There's so many factors aren't there ?
For example we only won one of the first 6 under Clarke as the total overhaul meant players were bedding in.
I'm staggered to see any suggestion that Crosby is a better manager than Clarke. In fact it beggars belief.
Maybe we should of hung on to Crosby and we'd be League 2 Champions next season with his stats.
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4 minutes ago, PVFC FAN said:
What's so bad about a dof?
A luxury a money seeping League 2 club can't afford.
They aren't on 700 quid a week.
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21 minutes ago, mr1876 said:
Fair enough I apologise I miss interpreted how i read it it grinds me when I feel that Clarke gets all the credit for promotion as we were going nowhere and if I'm honest playing some quite drab and boring football until his tragic loss and time out from the game and although my heart goes out to the man for what he had to go through i never took to him as a manager with all his arrogance and excuses i also feel that Crosby got a bum deal not only missing strikers as you say. In my opinion the biggest failure was to not recruit any full backs or wingbacks as I would say that more than half the goals we have conceded have come from teams targeting which ever square peg is in the round hole waiting for the inevitable mistake which opens us up and leaves the whole defence vulnerable and not to mention that 80percent of that team have no desire fight or backbone or are just 💩
Going nowhere?
We were 5 unbeaten. Including playing runaway leaders FGR off the park when Clarke went on leave. As for drab and boring , I went to the night away game at Carlisle and we could of conceivably won 6-1 . That was 2 games prior to him going.
If you want to talk drab. Harrogate and Colchester away. Truly hideous. Manager, Crosby.
He came back because having needed 7 points from the last 4 games for automatic promotion we contrived to lose the first 3 and possibly would of missed the play offs altogether had he not come back for the Exeter game.
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1 hour ago, werstayinup said:
I noticed that the number 25 Alli who ripped us a new one on saturday with his pace and 2 goals was signed by them from Halifax in January,so it shows you can certainly pick up players from the National League
We obviously got the wrong one from Halifax with dozy Debbie.
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48 minutes ago, valeparklife said:
How so?
Burton on 43 points, we're on 40.
Burton win, we lose, would mean Burton are 6 points ahead with 2 left?
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Probably on GD . Won't be mathematically done tomorrow but virtually sealed.
We won't win another game. Although knowing us we'll already be down and put 4 up Cambridge.
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13 minutes ago, PVP said:
After many years of supporting the Vale through thick and thin, home and away, for the first time every I really don't want to go tomorrow night, I just don't think I can face it anymore.....what is wrong with me ?
Nowt . Normal reaction. Drags you down.
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9 minutes ago, JS Valiant said:
Mike Williamson
Other than the fact he's a Vale fan ?
Then, He'd be barking mad to leave FC Franchise. They might possibly go up anyway .
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3 minutes ago, pete vale said:
Oh, either way, poor judgement mate. What a shambles. Clueless.
Odd really as we only sign wonderful characters and outstanding human beings !
All part of the Flitcroft mantra.
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2 minutes ago, pete vale said:
At least he got some minutes the lad from Liverpool was not even fit. Top class recruitment from our demised DOF. Shambles right through the place.
Think that was load of bull mate.
He's been playing for Liverpool under 21's for ages. Perfectly fit.
Some said he was a big headed tool so was sent back for that reason.
I've no idea if any truth in that but he certainly wasn't out for the season and is playing week in week out.
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1 hour ago, bomber said:
The biggest problem we have it's a Tuesday night! Not won a midweek game in a very long while! Why? it does put serious questions about our fitness. Also we conceed a lot of late goals, mind you we conceded a lot anyway. Absolutely no steel in the side whatsoever nor has there been for sometime.
March 2022 v Mansfield last home league win midweek.
Think I'm right that last midweek league win was Salford April 2022. The Charsley winner.
Stand to be corrected.
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On 14/04/2024 at 12:25, Diego Maradona said:
Splitting hairs but sure he went off in the first half after having a complete 'mare'. Never to be seen again. Waste of time, money and effort!
Made as much impact as that other one game wonder. Dominic Blizzard.
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To save me googling it were Doncaster in League one when he did a decent job there?
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6 minutes ago, Paul6754 said:
JRC, Similar perhaps but that was the worst. Your point about "issue between managers and players" is an interesting one but I hope it's not that as it's only the start of Moore's tenure.
Prior to the Peterborough defeat and yesterday's debacle I was of the opinion that Moore had got the Vale more organized and more difficult to beat but the problem still to solve was how to score enough goals to win enough games to stay up.
We all know the saying that 2-0 is the worst lead in football and Vale came out yesterday for the second half looking and playing scared, when the 1st goal went in they looked even more scared, became jelly-legged and to a man all confidence had blown away. Not one player stood up to lead, demanded the ball, lead by example or produced a crunching tackle to try and reverse the downward spiral.
Then the subs were made, Uche looked disappointed to be taken off, he still looked to have something left to give and may have provided some inspiration, set an example and arrested the decline had he stayed on. If he's taken off replace him with Loft who put's himself about and may do similar etc etc.
The reasons for yesterday's capitulation are likely the team doesn't have enough leaders, confidence is fragile, insufficient experience on the bench and poor substitutions.
I won't give up hope 'til Vale are mathematically down but I doubt there is any coming back from this. What is a safe lead for this PVFC squad, if 2-0 up at home with 45 mins to go isn't safe then what is?
We were 2 up after 88 mins against the bottom side the other week and that wasn't safe !
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3 minutes ago, Granville said:
When you really think about it, Flitcroft has A LOT to answer for, which he will never be held to account over, as he was aggressive to anyone who questioned him at a fans forum, ducked Radio Stoke and The Sentinel interviewing him and had a nice friendly in house podcast feeding him pre prepared questions.
He really has walked away scott-free with no accountability and with lots of questions unanswered.
I'm still angry with myself for getting suckered in with his Fraudcast .
I fell for the lot and felt sorry for the bloke after hearing his guff.
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3 minutes ago, PVFC764 said:
So that means we will be left mostly with the dross no non-league team would want. Getting them to move on would costs as they have been signed on long contracts. Garrity and Chiz will be missed if they go for certain. Ojo wants to leave by the looks of it.
With what do you mean to buy new players with that will make this side a sold div 1 club in div 2. Without investment this will never be achievable and we will just bob around the bottom of Div 2 again like previously.
Looking at the accounts we have employed more people than ever before, owe more and so just doesn't make sense how the club can fund better players to get us out of Div 2 on the first go. The first team needs to be overhauled and better strikers, midfield and defenders brought in to do that - sorry can't see that happening. Oh no - I forgot we have the youngsters coming through will be forced into the first team instead of going out and getting the proper experience they need to develop into Div 1 standard players.
There's that old adage ' if they're good enough they're old enough '.
Not sure that applies in League 2. It's brutal. Shorrock, Walters, Lomax would be like lost sheep. Dipepa obviously the pick of the bunch but again coming up against some hairy brute with 300 games under their belt from Crawley or Salford will be very difficult for him.
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1 minute ago, Dipepa delight said:
Yes 7 goals conceded in 2 games at times it seems like we haven't had a defence as players go wandering off .
We were in a ok place at 2-0 up at 4-2 down and a minus 30 goal difference not so a very bad place .
Well for me Exeter asked very few questions of us yet scored 4 ,and maybe should have had 6 v Posh put 3 wide what were easier put in then once went ahead just ran at us all second half down the right side ,not left icavetti I suppose as overall been doing a ok job the other side though I think 3 of four goals yesterday come from that side and you have to watch the goals to see quite clearly players were not dying for the cause they were giving oceans of space for goals 2 /3/ 4 the first id have to see again but player should be blocking it anyway should imagine it flew in off a coward ,goal 2 a corner,surely Smith should markJules not fresh air (no idea what position fresh air plays )he had put it in like a striker withno opposition to it
Goal 3 players went on walkabout .
Goal 4 Sang makes big error ball comes in central defenders wrong side of man yet again simple finish .
Like a horror story .
I would change the back line rather have Uche back there than some of them there atrocious .
The defence is a complete car crash. Opening day defeat set the standard.
Whatever combination we've used they've all been tripe.
There is no words for some performances I've seen from Smith,Jones,Debrah and Grant. I've never got the Debrah love in. He's awful. Lowe is a league 2 squad player at best yet has probably played 30 games.
Iacovitti has been ok and dreadful. He'd be my pick although not much competition.
Clark a disastrous season. Not fair to include the young lads in the equation.
Lopata a joke of a signing as was the Liverpool lad. And then we pull a rabbit out of the hat with a bizarre left back signing who has played 100 games in a decade. No idea what that's all about as it's only till the end of the season.
All in all we've moaned about the lack of strikers when the other end of the pitch is full of carthorses who struggle to control a football or pass to a white shirt 5 yards away.
Absolutely shocking. And most if not all are with us next season.
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2 hours ago, Santa said:
The return fixture in December was dubbed El Sackico with both Crosby and Caldwell looking in danger.
Pity we won then. Can't rewrite history but if that was true I'd of thought a new manager in December would of kept us up if he was backed in January.
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I give you.....Liverpool 0 Palace 1. Shocks are commonplace in football. With belief.
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2 hours ago, Rockape99 said:
It galling to say this But jones , Loft, Grant , Sang , OJO , the Yak , Smith , Ben G , Ripley and Chislett are all under contract next season , Bar Ben G or Chislett I can’t see anyone who is saleable
I know mate. Wishful thinking on my part. Was hoping for amicable parting of ways.
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55 minutes ago, Jim Gammon said:
I know but they are a long wait. I missed the start of the Boro game waiting for mine.
You'll be fine mate against Harrogate and the like especially a night match . Be no queues those games.
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9 minutes ago, JoeB2 said:
She paid around £5m and had loaned us, interest-free, £8m, over 5 years.
Of course the losses are greater now, but that’s down to two factors:
1. Losses are higher across the football pyramid. Nearly every club is insolvent and reliant on director’s loans. Our losses have been very manageable (1m a year) until last season where clearly we made a dog’s breakfast out of League 1. Comparing losses for previous owners is useless.
2. 3.4m is a fairly standard loss for League 1. Very normal. It’s bad for us, but common for a lot of teams. You have to be spending way in excess of what you bring in to compete. Unfortunately, Carol fell for the BS from Flitcroft and consequently the money was poorly spent.
It’s clearly ‘give Carol a kicking’ season which is understandable- her poor leadership has squandered the opportunity created in May 2022 and set us back several years and several million. She should have listened earlier and set up a far better quality assurance structure to assess where the money was going.
I’m not coming out to bat for her. I was raising concerns in the immediate summer after promotion where our signings were non-existent and we played minimal friendlies. I had worries in January 2022 when we seemed to bundle home a load of questionable signings and very nearly fell out of the playoffs. It was a circus then, held together by a very good manager.
However, let us not rewrite history. Carol’s first two seasons were Covid-impacted, and in her first full season with fans we went up. Survival in League 1 was acceptable, if underwhelming last year, and then this year has been a disaster.
Folks emotionally predicting we’re on our way to non-league, that Carol has killed us, and that she hasn’t a clue what she’s doing are (in my view) emotionally and angrily lashing out after a relegation.
The fundamental truth, however some try to twist it, is that PVFC will always incur losses of at least 1m a year (as every club does) and someone has to pick up that bill. Carol is the current fool daft enough to do so, for the ego trip and adrenaline rush.
I’m really not bothered about apologies or ‘taking responsibility’, or making her March through Burslem whilst we chant ‘shame’ At her.
She just needs to quietly and without fuss go away, learn from the mistakes, and do what she did in 21/22. Moore’s rumoured wage suggests she is more than happy to throw more money at the financial black hole of PVFC. The alternative is she sells up, incurring about a £10m loss, to (most likely) a consortium of investors who would again have to foot the losses, without the attachment to the club or area.
We will be absolutely fine next year, and if I had to bet, I’d assume we’d have a fairly successful year considering the weakness of League 2 24/25. The cloth will have to be cut a large amount (which is probably going to force much-needed efficiencies) and the off-field structure needs completely reshaping, but as a serial moaner who is never satisfied I’m rather sanguine about it all.
The compounding effect of so many losses over the last 18 months have absolutely battered the fanbase emotionally. Everyone is knackered. There’s an intensity to how awful we’ve been. We’ve been crap for ages. We need the season to finish and to all find something else to do for 3 months. PVFC will be fine under Carol Shanahan - as much as that appears to be a controversial view on this thread.
Good post Joe.
Part I don't agree with is the weakness of the league. I get that Stockport and Wrexham have bypassed us. But there are always flies in the ointment and surprises.
Who'd of called Orient as Champions and Stevenage runners up last season.
You only have to look at our friends from Swindon since the play off semi to see how it can go.
I sadly anticipate a minimum of 5 years again meandering around before we are back. It's the Vale cycle.
By which time another 5 years of my life has passed and I'm in my 60's.
Success next season seems a forlorn hope to me with this sad bunch of losers. I hope I'm wrong obviously but weaker league or not there are still plenty of candidates to go up.
Cheltenham,MK Dons , Doncaster who are ending the season tremendously. We need another reset which will cost a packet.
I don't want to turn up in August with Jones,Lowe,Massey,Loft, Debrah,Grant etc still at the club .
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1 hour ago, Fosse69 said:
Did she set a timescale for the Championship? Was it for the infrastructure? How are the players to be funded before the Academy is in full production?
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She cited the Plymouth model as one to follow.
However they had a season of consolidation. Then missed the play offs on the last day, followed by the title the season after.
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1 hour ago, ollyandpatch said:
Who would have thought back in July we could be relegated in mid April but although the official (R) will not be placed after our name because of the goal difference we could be 99.9% relegated on Tuesday if results don't go our way.
Shrewsbury 0 Wycombe 2 on Saturday so like Exeter another team that have not yet placed down their beach towels.
Last one out turn the light off.....
As with Brian i called it in May. As soon as we appointed Crosby.
I'm not going to trawl through threads to find it.
Words to the effect of he's our manager now I'm fully behind him , but there's only one way this is ending.
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0-3. Another team some expected would be cannon fodder like Exeter.
Don't know if they are still horrible and physical. Either way they'll have too much.
25 months since a home league win under the lights.
I anticipate that will stretch to 28 or 29 months after Tuesday.
Can't wait for this abysmal season to end.
3-3-12 reads our last 18 homes. Utter disgrace to the shirt.
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Carol Shanahan.
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You'd prefer every single manager we've ever had to Clarke though ?