[Oxford (H) match thread - 16th March]

Just now, ginginator said:

Was not Smith, Wilson tried to head it got a nick and then hit Smith. Still a poor goal, but we would of missed it at the other end

He’s garbage.

Not on his toes.

Get him gone.

Dreadful defender at this level.

[Oxford (H) match thread - 16th March]

Nathan Smith.

Again.

Just hang your boots up lad.

[Leyton Orient (A) match thread - March 12th]

4 minutes ago, Killersrevenge44 said:

No proper fan would bet on their team going down. It's like Judas giving Jesus location to the romans

Let’s put some logic on it then.

”Proper fan”….. Vale stay up. Happy days! 
Vale go down. Gutted. Nothing show for it.

Not a “proper fan” as you put it…… Vale stay up. Happy days! 
Vale go down. Gutted. A couple hundred extra quid in the bank.

I know which one i would rather be.

[Leyton Orient (A) match thread - March 12th]

7 minutes ago, TJHValiant said:

It was a very well organised and disciplined performance with a lot of effort. Trouble is, I still never saw us scoring at any point aside from a Wilson miss early on. 

Chisletts flick. 
But for their defender it’s destined for the bottom corner.

[Leyton Orient (A) match thread - March 12th]

Decent performance. 
Could have won. 
Could have lost. 
Loads more effort. 
Should have had a stonewall penalty. 
Something to build on but the bricks are running out. 

[Leyton Orient (A) match thread - March 12th]

Credit where it’s due, Massey has been good tonight. 
 

Not sure about those subs!! Moore will be in for a bucket load of <ovf censored> if we lose this now!

[Leyton Orient (A) match thread - March 12th]

If these are as dreadful in the next 45 as they were in that 45, then it’s 3 points for the taking.

 

[Worst vale team ever]

We have a huge amount of crap in the squad but I don’t believe it’s the worst I’ve ever seen in 40 years.

What I will say is that it’s the most pathetic and gutless.

Some of them have no self pride. If they don’t care about the club then fair enough. If they don’t like it because fans are digging them out then fair enough. But at least have pride in yourself and put a shift in.

The podcast got it spot on with Massey on Saturday. 
When describing his performance it was didn’t do anything bad, didn’t do anything good. Exactly! That sum equates to didn’t do enough! And I’m not just digging him out, there’s many others. They don’t do enough. Our kitman must have the easiest job going because most of those players don’t sweat or get the kit dirty.

This group of players look bored. They play like it’s a chore and that energy eventually zaps the terraces. Somehow, they managed to bore the life of 12,000 fans in a quarter final of a league cup! The biggest game most will have in their lives!

The fans can’t be bothered to go down to Orient tomorrow because, let’s face it, the players can’t either. I dare say you’ll find two players buzzing to wear that shirt tomorrow. 
If the lot of them went tomorrow I wouldn’t be bothered.

[Shrewsbury (H) match thread - 9th March]

24 minutes ago, sheffieldclayhead said:

7 from safety with 11 to play   - current form 1 point from 21 with the so called new manager bounce.

We are down - players have no confidence, club losing direction and fan trust. DF  and CS playing fiddles whist Rome burns.

Worst season I can remember I have been through relegation a few times since ‘86 but this season we are gutless with no clue or direction.

Been heading this way since Colin Garlic suddenly left and DF seemed to take over. Patrick is no Colin and DF a total fraud just look at Bury.

Anyway resigned to relegation only silver lining if we do CS wakes up smells the roses and boots DF out of our club.

Colin Garlick didn’t even work 3 days notice if I’m correct.

He left under a cloud. 
Like many others.

Steve Speed anyone? 
The pitch is <ovf censored> by the way.

Time we started asking those hard questions to the owner. And why she has a phrase along the lines of when you’re not needed anymore you’re not wanted anymore.

She may think her new found fame in football is untouchable. 
Crook Norman thought that. 
She needs to understand that football fans of 40,50,60,70 plus years will dig at anything for the sake of THEIR football club.
 

5 million for vale at the time didn’t add up. 
And yes she saved us. She and Kevin actually. Although he’s anonymous these days. 
And the last 18 months have been baffling to watch as a football project. Which is essentially what we are.

Three to Four failed transfer windows with no striking options and no wing backs. Doesn’t add up.

Her sheer defiance of David Flitcroft doesn’t add up.

Her employing her unqualified son doesn’t add up.

Her crying in the valiant suite and telling fans the players are phenomenal, doesn’t add up.

The players almost look gagged in their performances and the manager, well, he’s singing off the same hymn sheet as the open letter. It doesn’t add up.

I hope I’m wrong. But. Sitting back. Taking a look at a lot of what’s gone on this last 18 months. It doesn’t add up.

And if anything is a miss then the factions that will be will find it out. 
 

 

[Shrewsbury (H) match thread - 9th March]

34 minutes ago, MelbourneValiant said:

Smurf - admitted his failings and took full responsibilty for relegation and accepted he was hoodwinked. 

Jim Gannon, gave a chance to Premiership Dam Morsy, dropped pisshead Gary Roberts, won a game or two and signed Tom Pope.

Carol wont admit she has been hoodwinked.

After just six games I have had enough the waffle coming from DM's mouth every pre/post match interview. 

I never bought into the non rousing speech before the game. I said the game would be over after ten minutes. It so predictable that I dont bother watching anymore. I go through the motions of reading the post mortem every Sunday though and hope something has changed. I live in hope but accept reality.

I’ll accept most of that apart from Smurthwaite.

That man was a crook. A rogue. A vile piece of <ovf censored> who signed all avenues of Vales revenue to him.

He took money out of the clubs revenue and then put it back in in loans. 
He signed the ground over to him and did everything on the cheap, whilst fleecing the club.

Let’s not EVER make out as though this man admitted any failings, when he knew all along what he was doing.

He was and will forever remain a piece of scum.

[Shrewsbury (H) match thread - 9th March]

Also, I caught some of the podcast last night. 
Is that right that some players are upset with the abuse they are getting? 
I mean. Seriously?????

My heart bleeds for them.

That says it all.

They are spineless gutless bastards as Bez put it.

Apart from Garrity and maybe Ripley, where are the leaders in that dressing room with thick skin? 
Nowhere. 
They just go crying to mummy Carol.

With Darrell in charge it was us against the world. 
Now it’s us (the fans) against them (Flitcroft, players, owner)

And it’s all their own doing through arrogance and sheer ineptitude.
 

[Shrewsbury (H) match thread - 9th March]

There isn’t a connection between the fans and the players. 
Chizzy hasn’t looked the same player with Alfie and Ollie.

Carol is clutching at straws. 
Bring a mate for free. 
Then it’s have a free drink. 
 

When will she realise fans don’t care about these token gestures and it won’t bide her time in sacking David Flitcroft. Fans won’t back Flitcroft. His position is totally untenable!! 
I want to see another open letter addressing the fans moans. On two points. Why has he failed miserably in four transfer windows. And why would anybody in their right mind trust him with another!

We are now adrift.

As for her son shaking his head when fans were singing for Flitcrofts head, that just shows the arrogance of that boardroom.

Hes lucky to be in a job in a football club with zero football experience. So that lad needs to start piping down a bit.

[Shrewsbury (H) match thread - 9th March]

It’s more obvious by the week that up until his problems, Darrell Clarke was the glue that held this club together.

[League 2 preparation]

32 minutes ago, ValeForever. said:

This squad struggles in League 2.

Correct.

The kids aren’t ready for any form of league football. And the majority of the rest of the squad are garbage but contracted.

[Shrewsbury (H) match thread - 9th March]

17 minutes ago, Mellor! said:

The bloke is just one big walking <ovf censored> up.

[Shrewsbury (H) match thread - 9th March]

9 minutes ago, osprey said:

Must be due a good run 😂😂😂😂

To go on a good run, the players have to physically run!

[Shrewsbury (H) match thread - 9th March]

For those still clinging to hope that these “phenomenal” players keep us up, we have failed to win in 47 of our last 58 league matches.

[Shrewsbury (H) match thread - 9th March]

Could have a big rant but at this point it’s pointless.

Players are crap.

DOF is inept.

Owner is clueless.

Just let it all unfold.

[Shrewsbury (H) match thread - 9th March]

Listened to Moores press conference.

He says the players have come to blows. In as many words anyway. As he says people had to step in and it shows they care. Now is that because they care or is that dressing room fractured? 
Im looking at leaders and good characters and don’t see many. Conlon and Pett lifted that play off trophy. Now I see a half arsed Ojo and Smith. Garrity is the only real leader I see. Certainly on the pitch. So prove us wrong.

Another thing I took from it was that he said they’ve taken a step back from what matters and that’s fight and passion. Now, I’ll say that this is because of the philosophy thrown upon these players by the DOF and Crosby. 
I said it after Middlesbrough. It was pathetic. Pass, pass, pass, tippy tappy crap. We’ve done it all season. We don’t make a <ovf censored> tackle. So hopefully we’ll see some blood and thunder from now to the end of the season.

His “war cry” to the fans was really good. I like how he’s trying to create a bond. I like the fact he acknowledges the superb support all season. All of that can only be a good thing.

And after all of that we get to the young lads. 
And I’m just rolling my eyes. 
It’s almost convincing the fans that they are world beaters and deserve to be there!! 
It’s like a script from Carol and David! 
Im sorry Darren but not one of them are good enough right now and shouldn’t be in this dog fight. 
And therein lies the problem. Because some of them are keeping senior players out of the team. And make no mistake those senior players aren’t good enough either! 
 

But. That being said. Fresh start on Saturday. He’s had a full week on the training pitch. So let’s see who is up for the fight and who isn’t.

A win gives us hope. 
A draw will be deflating. 
A defeat and you may as well turn off the lights.

It really is last chance saloon. 

[PVFC Meet delegation of fans regarding current concerns]

9 minutes ago, JoeB2 said:

I wasn’t there, Paul. Nowt to do with me.

It’s 8:06am on a Thursday and you’re absolutely frothing at the mouth on a football forum over a meeting, taking shots at all and sundry.

Please, go and eat some breakfast and maybe go outside. This isn’t that deep. It comes across as quite unhealthy.

I work nights mate. If that’s ok with you?

My 8.06am is your 8.06pm.

Best not judge eh.

[PVFC Meet delegation of fans regarding current concerns]

1 minute ago, Bede said:

Happy to prove you wrong Paul.

Black & Gold have continued to exist since its inception back in about 2008/9, in the background, to gauge fans' feelings and I suppose judge the performance of the club.  We have an excellent source of research to delve deeper into things.

Mark Porter is the chair of the SC and, until recently, the meetings were held on the final Thursday of each month.  However, we have just changed that to bi-monthly to allow us to have more regular committee meetings to allow us to operate better.  Sadly, our website got hacked and damaged so we are struggling for an official means of communications whilst our new one is currently being built.  (I'm the SC secretary by the way)

Tell you why we represent you?  We listen at meetings and we listen to fans in the stands, in the pubs, on social media and on forums such as this.  We represent you by collectively discussing what we can do within our powers as supporter groups.  That has led to lots of very frank dialogue with the club over the past couple of months, resulting in this meeting to hit it all face on with the people at the top.

Yes, this meeting was face to face.  No, we have not been pacified and nobody, not a single person, has changed their views on David Flitcroft or the disconnect between fans and club.  I'm absolutely astounded at the bizarre criticisms that we've 'had our bellies tickled' and other such nonsense.  As a result of our initial meeting, the club now fully understand the deep-rooted issues the fans have. It is the first step in a long road ahead.

There will, of course, be further communication back to the fans, no doubt from both sides, but we also have to be pragmatic and sensible.  We will do nothing knee-jerk.

The fans have had faith in those groups to act for the betterment of the club in the past.  We ask for the same again.

Here’s my issue Steve and you know I respect you. 
I honestly do not believe that the club understands the issues the fans have!

That statement mate. Come on.

I don’t care about anything other than getting David Flitcroft out of this club.

That’s my only issue.

And yet they have to make a point in their statement about the DOF and the disagreement in between the said parties that were there!!

I am happily proved wrong if she sacks him today but if he’s still here in the summer we are doomed.

You know me. I was black and gold. The amount of money and my relationship by the way, suffered for this club. To save my club. I just don’t get the black and gold thing right now.

 

If you were there, and by the way I would have loved to be there, I would have just gone, “David Flitcroft. Sack him”

No politics. Just rhyme off every failure on the pitch he has made.

Dropped my pint and walk out.

It’s really not rocket science Steve but take a few hours, think about Smurthwaite, (I’m not saying this is happening again) but he did similar in the early years. 
 

Flitcroft goes. 
The club resets. 
Flitcroft stays. 
The club has cancer.

It’s pretty simple mate regardless of any politics and any factions. 

[PVFC Meet delegation of fans regarding current concerns]

4 minutes ago, JoeB2 said:

It was face to face.

£10 to charity sounds fair?

If you all drove up to Vale park for a meeting like this, without letting the fans know, and the supporters club, and the black and gold joke, then I’m lost for words.

Have a tenner.

Virtue signaling at its finest.

Prove me wrong! 
Where is the supporters club statement? 
Where is the NLV statement? 
 

What’s happened is a bunch of people Carol does not respect, has just been told how things are and there isn’t anything you can do about it. 
Because she has the power. Flitcroft has more power. And Thankyou very much.

Youre welcome.

[PVFC Meet delegation of fans regarding current concerns]

1 hour ago, Birdy said:

Mum walk in on you w**king this morning youth? 😉

Your local virtue signalling, woke Londoner here.

There were a few people, not me, who have put so much thought, time and effort into this meeting - some travelling 6 hours, and represented yours/our frustrations. Instead of contributing little, I ask you to trust them - they have the fans/club at heart. 

 

 

Firstly “youth”. I’m a 43 year old man who has lived away from home for 25 years.

Secondly, I don’t doubt whatsoever that any Vale fan has the club at heart. We all do. 

Thirdly. You say I’ve contributed little? Is that right? Where have I contributed little? How much do you know of what i have contributed to this club?

Im glad the meeting happened. 

Brilliant.

So instead of having a go at me, tell your friends at NLV and the supporters club and the Black and Gold (which really is pathetic now and shouldn’t be involved) to make statements on their behalf, through their own organisations, to let the average fan know what is going on and how those talks went.

The statement from the club went on about communication and yet no supporter knew this was happening??!! 
So don’t fans have a right to be pissed off and be in the dark?

[PVFC Meet delegation of fans regarding current concerns]

Also, having thought about it, was it a real face to face meeting? 
Or was it a zoom meeting?

Theres a huge difference in meeting people face to face and then looking at a screen and talking.

I would bet my last pound that this was zoom oriented. 
To pacify the masses.

I am very happy to be proven wrong. 

[PVFC Meet delegation of fans regarding current concerns]

1 hour ago, Emile said:

You have to question what the point of the meeting was. 

I guess, the supporters requested the meeting because they are feeling the resentment building in the club between the fans and the owner.

Did this meeting quell this resentment? The answer on here is clearly no.

With no official comment from any of the said bodies in that meeting, I would say it was a meeting to appease those who head those factions. And by the way not one of them matter. Not to the fans of the club. I mean, the black and good group? Get a <ovf censored> grip. That ship sailed long ago and shouldn’t exist still!

The supporters club. 
Who is the chairman these days? 
When are the meetings? 
Tell me why you represent ME as a supporter? 
You are absolutely pointless!

Who was the third? The NLV? 
Virtue signaling lot. 

All three factions. You do realise she is appeasing you all. You do realise this bides her more time for David. And I really really hope you all realise that after that statement you’ll make statements in your own little bubbles and social media sites. 
 

So show us YOUR conclusions after this meeting.

I won’t hold my breath.