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  1. 27 minutes ago, Guitar Ray said:

    What’s to be gained from dragging this old chestnut up?  Whatever the circumstances behind CG leaving he isn’t the reason we’ve been relegated.

    It’s not an “old chestnut” though is it? It’s still raw considering it was only one year ago. 
    The point being that from that point, give or take a few weeks, the club has been sinking like a ship ever since. 

    Good people at this club have been tossed aside like yesterdays news. Colin being one.

    I said all along Carol was being gaslighted by Flitcroft. I’ll stand by that forever and a day. And it’s not an easy thing to come to terms with once you realise it. 

    Her relationship with Colin always seemed strong. And especially Clarke. 

    It was a sad end and the start of our ultimate demise unless an absolute miracle happens on Saturday.

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  2. 16 minutes ago, JS Valiant said:

    I have only just started supporting Port Vale?

    You are completely wrong and don’t start questioning my Sanity who the **** are you to do that.

    I have supported them since the Freddie Steele Days and seen some **** but I have never seen a Team so Devoid of Fight, togetherness or Spirit.

    Can’t you see this Team doesn’t want to play for Moore 

    At least under Crosby they looked as if they cared and played to a Pattern.

    Under this Clown they don’t know what they are doing.

    I know for a fact a certain amount of them don’t want Moore there.

    Calm yourself down.

    You don’t seem to grasp the bigger picture. 
     

    Im off bed now but I’ll pick you up on two points. 
    Under Crosby it was utter garbage. The pattern they played to was to pass the ball sidewards and backwards for 4 hours and do nothing. It sent me to sleep. His record was atrocious. 
    And finally, if there are a certain amount of players that don’t want Moore there, then <ovf censored> them off out of the club if they can’t be bothered to put a shift on for the badge, for the fans, for themselves. 
    How dare they on thousands a week. 
    He’s the boss. They were garbage under the previous one. There’s your pattern.

     

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  3. 23 minutes ago, JS Valiant said:

    I haven’t put all the Blame on Moore but he has made a Bad Job Far Far Worse and at what cost.

    Its Borderline Insanity to offer a Useless Manager a 5 Year Contract.

    The Previous 18 months were not great but the next 18 months will be worse if Moore stays, listen to his ****** Interviews, he is ******* Clueless.

    You don’t replace Crap with Worse and at 3 times the Cost.

    Listen to Fans on the Radio and they just feel Disconnected and Totally Dejected.

    Moore hoodwinked Carol, I know that’s down to her but I can’t feel good about a man who is only here for the Money.

    He has got No Passion, well I have.

    You enjoy Moore and El Presidente !

    Why should I enjoy El Presidente? I’ve already stated that’s a farce!

    Moore, before Huddersfield, where he walked into another shower, had a superb record in management. You can’t deny that.

    Im just being level headed in stating that if Darren Moore, a man who has inherited an awful squad, a man who this time last season was on 90 odd points in this league with his own squad, a man who has been here for 9 weeks or so, has killed your passion for Port Vale then you’ve obviously only just started to support the club. Because you must rate managers like Bruno, Brown, Glover, Sinnott, Gannon,  all higher than him. 
    The first 4 had their own squad and the latter walked into a promotion ready squad and bombed it. 

    Yes. He may not be the right man. I get that. But if he’s the man who is killing your passion for the club then I worry for your sanity. 

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  4. 26 minutes ago, JS Valiant said:

    At least Brown had some idea, the players showed a lot more fight and passion and he took it to the Final Day.

    Plus Brown would not have been on the Salary this clown is on.

    Moore has killed my Passion for Port Vale.

    If a man who came here 2 months ago, having inherited an absolute amount of on field crap, has killed your passion for Port Vale, then quite frankly, you can’t see the bigger mistakes that have been made at this club for 18 months or so.

    You could have had Darren Moore in charge for the first half of the season and Andy Crosby in charge for the second half of the season and got the same result. Relegation.

    A but silly to put all the blame on Moore. In fact it’s borderline insanity to even say he’s the reason he’s killed your passion. 

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  5. Crosby got sacked because the football was crap and we were plummeting to relegation. 
    There hasn’t been a manager bounce because the football is crap we are plummeting to relegation. 
    Crosby had Alfie and Ollie. 
    Moore has had to make do with the rest of the garbage on their own. 
     

    You can put Pep in charge of this lot and you’d get nothing back. 
    They’re crap. Apart from the odd one or two. 

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  6. 5 minutes ago, ValeForever. said:

    Agreed it is ifs & buts. Hard to imagine anybody doing any worse than Moore has though. You could've put me in charge & I reckon I'd have motivated us to a more points than he's achieved. 

    Maybe he will prove me wrong next season with his own players, but he's nowhere near it for me. He's not a Vale manager.

    I’m not sure. 
    Like I’ve already said, if he resigns I wouldn’t be shocked or upset. 
    If he gets sacked then that would frighten the life out of me considering the 5 and a half year contract. Regardless of any get out clause, if you give a manager that long a contract then you back him. But she’s already done it with Clarke I suppose, although there were circumstances.

    What should have happened, when Flitcroft sacked Crosby, was Flitcroft going into the dugout. A man with 500 odd efl games as manager under his belt, but he wouldn’t do that until the end of the season because he knew he’d assembled a shower of a squad. And so maybe Moore would have been his next fall guy?

    Darren has been naive. In my opinion. 
    He walked into the club reading off pre written crap about Dave this and Dave that. Just to try and get the club onside. Then the fans turned even more on Flitcroft and he’s suddenly found himself a dear in the headlights with an absolute dreadful squad. 
     

    The problem now is that if we look at it sensibly you’d say it’s not his squad. But I don’t see any structure. So do you stick or twist? 
    Stick. He’s probably got 10-12 games at the start of next season. No honeymoon period. If that fails pressure will be on by fans for his head. 
    Twist. You sack a man 3 months into a 66 month contract! What does that say with how even more shambolic the football side is being run?

    My honest thoughts now are that when we are inevitably relegated, he resigns. That’s best for both parties. 
    Then there is a hell of a lot of work to do from April 28th, to make sure this club has a structure in place with recruitment and a manager the fans can connect with again. 
    Structure and connection must be up there as two of the most important things for next season. 
    We ain’t had either this season.

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  7. One final thing…..

    That first 6 minutes.

    <ovf censored> me. I know fans can exaggerate at times but honestly, a pub side would have been at least one up.

    I actually thought that crap professional footballers had been replaced for 6 minutes by blokes who’d won a raffle.

    Shameful. 
    For thousands of pounds a week, it was utter shameful.

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  8. 2 minutes ago, ValeForever. said:

    We'll never know, but I suspect Crosby would've ensured we won more than a single point from Fleetwood, Shrews, Exeter & Wycombe at home.

    He lost to both Burton and Cheltenham at home. Cheltenham being as bad a 90 minutes I’ve ever seen.

    It’s all ifs and buts. 
    The one thing that is absolute factual is that David Flitcroft is the main culprit of everyone Carol has ever employed, with the squad he has assembled. 

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  9. 7 minutes ago, ValeForever. said:

    I'm going to put it out there... would Crosby have kept us up?

    I think he probably would have. Things were far from great under him, but there's no way we lose 10 from 15 games with him in charge. We'd have scraped enough points to stop up based on the fact we still find ourselves only 3 points adrift. The fact we're not mathmatically relegated yet is astonishing. The bottom of this league is absolute garbage. 

    Our home form in particular is beyond a joke. I really worry about next season. We're a soft touch & we all know what League 2 is all about. We will be bullied week in week out.

    No way we would lose 10 from 15 with Crosby in charge?

    His mess got us in this situation.

    Lets not rewrite history. 
    From September 19th to November 28th with Ollie and Alfie I’ll add, under Crosby, he lost 8 out of 11.

    Lets not make out he would have kept us up. 

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  10. Adam Yates hit the nail on the head. 
    When you’ve got players on 100k+ a year like we have, who are under contract for next season,  and not just a small amount of players either, then you’ve got to find clubs for them. And when those clubs offer them 50k a year, they will stay here and take their wage! And I don’t blame the player. Flitcrofts mess that Carol couldn’t see.

    So there’s a huge chance we could go into next season with the majority of this squad and the kids (who won’t be physically good enough for league two).

    So, I have to say, the timing of todays announcement regarding STs was very strange. Because if people are going to fork out over 300 quid to watch this shower of <ovf censored>, then they must be on another planet or just want to virtue signal because they’ve bought a season ticket. 
    There should have been thought and a proper marketing plan after the <ovf censored> of a season but they’ve even got that wrong!

    Good luck with selling 2500. Plus almost empty away ends week in week out. 
     

     

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  11. For perspective. I’m not sure what more he could have done with the players available?

    He’s walked into a car crash. 
    Most of those players don’t want to be here.

    Yes, I will admit we looked a side with no structure. It was just players running everywhere. But I’m not sure there are enough braincells in that squad to implement anything more than a national league north side.

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  12. 5 minutes ago, Packmoor_vale said:

    OVF 

    full of stay at home armchair sad sacks 

    To be fair, if you’re at the game and posting on your phone, it just shows how exciting it is.

    Come on. Get behind the lads! Isn’t that what your type shout every week! It only took 34 seconds for boos to ring around the gaff.

    Garbage on the pitch. 
    Garbage in the stands.

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  13. 10 minutes ago, Alan Vit said:

    Perhaps dial down the sense of entitlement a good few notches, eh?

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    I've poured in most of the last 5 years of my life to rescuing and rebuilding our club.

    I've put into the club in the region of £10 million of our own money, most of which I know I'll never see again.

    I'm busily rebuilding every part of the club, notably the ever-improving Football Academy.

    I'm bringing new employment to an area which desperately needs it.

    I've reached out to make Port Vale a major source of social good addressing the deprivations in our home area.

    And, to put right the genuine failings on the football field, I have dismissed the Director of Football that the fans blamed for the failings and I have now appointed at very substantial cost a top-class football management staff that I believe really can, over time, bring our club great success.

    I'm so sorry, Mr Spunk Trumpet, how will you ever bring yourself to forgive me?

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    Nobody doubts the good you’ve done.

    The whole point is that the on field state of affairs is an absolute shambles with the worst squad I’ve seen in years, under a 4th manager in less than 4 years, staring down the barrel of league 2. That’s pretty much what the average fan cares about. Not the other stuff.

    They want to turn up for two hours and have a team to be proud of. We’ve got far from that. 
    And has for you sacking the man the fans blamed…….. by that I take it you still don’t think he was to blame? And even if you do it was at least one transfer window too late. 
    To let him go through January and THEN sack Crosby, who should have been long gone before Christmas, and then let Flitcroft carry on until “fans blamed him” well, it was all a bit of a calamity. 

    And I hope the management team works. I really do. And I really hope there is some get out clause in his contract because a 5 and a half year deal is huge. Especially with performances and results. But, like I’ve said before, this is not his squad. It’s the squad that Dave built. The worst footballing squad in many a year. That Dave made. 
    But good old Dave. Look at all the things he did right yeah? Again. Fans only really care about three points and 100% effort week in week out. 

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  14. 3 hours ago, SMURF said:

    I have been tempted on many occasions to comment on here but stopped you will all be please to learn Carol was seen at the awards evening on Sunday apparently looking gaunt and extremely emotional l suggest you read this post every time you want to plough into her she does not deserve any of the vile stuff being hurled at her

    Nobody is giving any “vile stuff” to her.  Fans are merely critical at the way she handled things.

    You, however…… You’re a rogue and a crook and a piece of human scum.

    Kindly <ovf censored> off.

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  15. 10 minutes ago, PVFC FAN said:

    Can't be arsed reading that. Why follow the trend? Because it works that's why. Why play with a striker? Because it works. <ovf censored> striker = no goals. Good striker= goals. Works same with a dof but the club is run better or worse.

    Can’t be arsed reading it. But felt you needed comment.

    Its called a forum.

    It’s called debate.

    If you can’t be arsed to listen to everyone’s debate then get off the forum.

    Simple as that.

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  16. 49 minutes ago, Killersrevenge44 said:

    Ainsworth will be in a job by the time Moore departs

    Not necessarily. 
    If we go down and Moore wants out, he quits in two weeks. 

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  17. 18 minutes ago, PVFC FAN said:

    Every team in top 10 od league 2 has a dof. We need a dof. We have the money.

    Does that make it right? Why follow the trend? Why waste a wage?

    Do yourself a favour, if you’re employed by OUR football club, and listen to Tony Pulis on Undr The Cosh. 
    He touches on how the manager should be buying the players and it doesn’t work when someone else buys the players.

    It’s absolutely scandalous that this was allowed to happen here at Vale. Where a DOF bought the players. A DOF told the manager how to play. A DOF told the manager what formation we will use. A DOF told the manager we are playing our own kids to make money and taking on other teams kids on loan to build relationships. Flitcroft may as well just sat in the dugout every Saturday with the influence and input he was having!

    And people say “even Forest Green have one”. 
    Yeah. 
    Look where they are. 
     

    If it’s Moore or whoever. Let that man identify the targets HE wants and nobody else. Let him have the say in contract length. 

    It worked for over 100 years. 
    We are about to go into the 4th division. 
    We’ve already got a ridiculous amount of staff employed at this club. 
     

    I’ve always said in the lower leagues managers can complicate football with their modern day coaching ideas. 
    I will also say that owners can also complicate football with a DOF, multiple football scientists, other staff who we really don’t need. 
    Just keep it simple. 
     

    In the last two decades we’ve had Micky Adams and Darrell Clarke who have achieved real success. 
    Clarke probably won’t give us time of day anymore but somebody at the club should be going cap in hand to Micky Adams. Asking for his advice. 
    Even swallow the (what seems to be from the outside) the pompous attitude and go to Popey, Yatesy, Duffy, Hughesy, Birchall, Griff, Dicko, and others and get their advice.

    What would be an absolute catastrophe is signing “nice lads”, putting little videos out of them basically being told what to say when they sign, hiring a DOF who says I’m signing the players, we will play tippy tappy crap, not put in a tackle, and our formation will be 3-5-2 every week.

    Been there. Done that. It’s been more of an on field circus this year than under Smurthwaite and I never ever thought I’d say that. 
     

    Keep it simple. Manager. His targets. His players. Leave him to manage. Stay away from a DOF. Surround ourselves with good old ex pros who love the club who can offer a touch of advice here and there as we go and let’s get back to being Port Vale Football Club again instead of Port Vale Corporate business.

    All the fans care about is the football. 
    That’s the biggest learning curve that’s needed.

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  18. If Moore wants to leave at the end of the season then so be it. I think if he doesn’t want to be here then a parting of the ways is needed for both parties.

    If he is to get sacked then that would be a damning indictment on how the club is being run, as that would mean we would be looking for our 5th manager in less than 3 and a half years.

    Personally I’d like to see what he can do with a squad that HE can build. If it’s the case he doesn’t want to be here then get someone in who does. 
    I would turn to Ainsworth because of his proven pedigree at building a project. And before anyone he says his football was crap, as long as it’s winning football I couldn’t care less. I’ve been bored enough this last 18 months.

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  19. It’s painfully obvious that a few don’t want to be here. 
    Take Ojo as an example. 
    A nice 3500 quid a week. Under contract. He knows if we go down he will get a move to another league 1 club on similar money or better AND a lovely little signing on fee in his back pocket. I don’t blame him for downing tools so I’d just drop him entirely. He’s got clear talent but has packed in. So he can just clear off now for me. 
    As for others who think they’ll get a move if we go down, they will, into non league. Because they are garbage in the main. 
    So if they don’t want to do it for Port Vale Football Club, then those that do get picked, at least do it for your own pride and families.

    Without doubt this is the most separated squad from the fans in terms of a connection.

    So has for my team….. First name on the team sheet would be Ben Garrity. 2nd name would be Chizzy. 3rd would be Dipepa, who has been improving hugely in ridiculous circumstances for the kid. 4th Ripley. I don’t think he’s the best but he’s over worked every single game!! And quite frankly anyone else I couldn’t care less about. The other young kids aren’t good enough and the rest of that squad can all leave as far as I’m concerned. 
     

    Apart from those 4 I’d say can any of the other players look themselves in the mirror and say they’ve given their all and are good enough for league football. It’s hugely debatable.

    The sad thing is we say the same thing week after week and I’m 100% certain the players read these sites and they hear the critics. They listen to the podcast. They hear the fans in the ground slagging them off. And it’s all justified! And how do they answer back???? With more pathetic gutless displays! 
    Are they real men? 
    Are they going to stand up and be counted in last chance saloon on Tuesday? 
    Or will they carry on with their pathetic, crawl in their shell displays, like we have been used to, collectively and individually.

    Stick that as your team talk Darren and see how many want it and how many have the grapefruits to make the supporters eat humble pie and make the supporters believe that they care and can perform a miracle.
     

     

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  20. 1 minute ago, Paul6754 said:

    ST, What do you mean by the above phrase?

    Are you advocating that Carol should resign?

    I already stated in my opening post that she shouldn’t sell. Unless she wants to of course.

    What I mean by that is she gets very protected as an owner because of how she saved the club. And let’s get this right, nobody can deny she did that. And every Vale fan should be forever grateful…… however….. whilst the fans can moan about Crosby, Flitcroft and now Moore, and certainly justified with Flitcroft and Crosby because of the recruitment and Crosbys football was so drab i stopped going because I was glued to my seat in boredom, it’s about time she took the majority of the blame and held up her hands. 
    She’s very quick to come and take the plaudits when things are going well. And very quick to hide when they aren’t. 
     

    She needs to make a huge apology to the fanbase. 
    She needs to let the fanbase know where we go from here. Do we back Darren? Will he have the window? Will a DOF have the window? How does it all affect our recruitment policy? Explain just how the club is unsustainable. Will mistakes be rectified? Basically what’s the plan? Because the previous “process” has been a monumental catastrophe.

    We are in a huge mess because of her decisions and very much her lack of decisions in rectifying situations she employed.

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