JoeB2

We’d end up shoehorning players into wrong positions, or choosing a system that doesn’t work to fit them. They’re good players but unfortunately just don’t work together. It’s like having two good left backs. Sell Chislett, make Garrity captain, and reinvest the money up front.

Where do you play them both? What formation facilitates that? You either a) drop Garrity deep - a waste b) put Chislett wide - a waste

I think a better way of putting it is that Moore is not a manager who can drag a failing club up single-handedly, the way DC has often done. He can make a decent squad compete at the top end, but he isn’t a firefighter. When he’s in a situation with a good budget and a decent squad, he’s pretty much guaranteed his employers a playoff finish throughout his career. When he’s in a situation with a poorer budget and a lacking squad, he’s been relegated.

A classic example of a player signed on reputation, but was on the decline and didn’t fit the system at all. Very poor business. You sign players to fit a preconceived idea, not make it up as you go along. We’ve had no plan when signing players since January 2022 - Flitcroft’s first summer was the only time you could see what we were trying to do.

Folk picking and choosing Moore’s past record to suit their argument. He’s got some excellent success in good situations and poor failures in bad situations. We need to make sure this is the former.

A problem with Garrity and Chislett being our best players is they get in each other’s way. Both want to be in the attacking midfield role and the other inevitably has their wings clipped. Selling one for 6 figures makes sense.

Madden makes a lot of sense for us but will probably go to Salford.

The formula is posting the all-time record for financial losses in League 1. They lost £20m and spent nearly £13m on wages alone. It dwarfed everybody else.

Not sure what lesson that was. He was just a young lad who get sent off. Was a fantastic talent.

Moore’s certainly putting a lot of pressure on himself. If this goes wrong he’s gone from 96 points in League 1 to being sacked in League 2, after a very poor spell at Huddersfield. He can’t blame ‘recruitment structures’ or anything like that as it appears he wants full control. He’s effectively risking his management career on success with PVFC within the next 12 months.

I come away, all things considered, pretty grateful about things - which I accept isn’t a standard thing to say a week after relegation! We’ll be rayt.

How long in will it be asked “when are we going to start leaving a man up for corners?!”

Not me saying I want Harratt before folk start weeping and wailing about mentioning previous players. Just clearly a link there.

Yes played in every game bar 1 under Moore until injury and then suspension.

Sean Raggett would be good probably.

Neither Marquis or Taylor any good.

Uche is a completely unique player who has spent the last few years playing 30+ games a season in the Championship. He’ll never be prolific but he offers a physical profile we simply won’t find anywhere else.

I misspoke and meant we usually have between the 6th and 10th largest home attendance in League 2.

I’ll put the extremely controversial view out there and get pelters: Uche with a full pre-season will be absolutely fine in League 2.

I don’t think Uche has been properly fit at all this season. Arrived late after not playing for months, got fit then out for months, then a few appearances here and there before season end in a diabolical side creating nothing. If he walks away from us a League 1 club signs him, simply because he’s such a freak footballer. I wouldn’t be disappointed if he did leave.

I predicted this exact retained list earlier in the week, bar Leutweiler who I didn’t know was out of contract. This wasn’t some incredibly foresight, but just plainly obvious. I’m not sure why people are outraged. I’m not surprised by Uche, even though I’m no fan. Hundreds of games above League 2. I imagine he’ll reject it and be on his way. Wynne is clearly someone Moore rates. Flitcroft built this squad with a two-year window in mind. The vast majority of new signings were signed on two-year deals: Loft, Grant, Lowe, Sang, Debrah, Yak. These are both manifestly not good enough for where we want to be, but contractually owed probably between 75-120k by PVFC over the next 12 months, and perfectly entitled to collect that whether they play or not. We can bleat all we want, but Flitcroft shafted us not only last season, but next. I’ve no doubt efforts will be made to move these players on, but will they go? Who is going to take them on at the same wage? We all publicly and widely deride Loft and Sang, and then hope there’s another professional football club willing to take them off our hands for similar wages. It’s fantasy land. We either move them on and continue to pay 20-30% of their wages to play for another club, pay up hundreds of thousands to ‘sack’ them, or they’re stuck here. Perhaps the reality has sunk in for a few. 23/24 was a disaster and will not be undone by August. Clarke had the luxury of completely reshaping his squad in 2021, signing 15 players. Moore will be able to sign 6-7, perhaps. He is stuck with players who probably don’t like the club, who have a negative relationship with the fans, with a squad blighted by a relegation. He’s going to have to plan for a season involving Tom Sang and Conor Grant, I imagine. It’s a huge job - to revitalise the club with largely the same group of players we’ve rightly decided aren’t up to it, with a very disillusioned fanbase. Anything approaching the top 7 next year is a good season. I imagine the youth players will be crucial - performing for cheap, allowing us to invest some of the leftover budget in a real area of need. I think 24/25 will be a fine but not spectacular season. We usually operate with between the 6th-10th highest wage in League 2, and gut instinct tells me that’s where we’ll be next May. If Moore performs his usual trick of getting relegated aides immediately into the playoffs then it’s a job well done.

Different financial landscape. Every club loses money - you have to. Bratt and Smurthwaite lived in different times.

The club loses 1m+ a year in the very best case scenario. PVFC is funded by, and exists, due to Carol’s continual desire to throw money at a loss-making company in a loss-making industry. Those 5000 STs, btw, if they were all adult ones (which they’re not), would cover £1.75m. Try and get out of League 2 on that budget.

Seen folk demanding/expecting us to finish top 3, personally funded by Carol. There’s probably going to be a lot of disappointment next season. This mess isn’t going to be fixed in the next 3 months.

Sold out. They’re going to see if they can stream it.