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  1. 17 hours ago, leedsvaliant said:
    17 hours ago, Jacko51 said:
    You're lucky.  Everyone on here knows a bloke who used to be a regular contributor who lost his life to covid early in the pandemic.  Another member of his family died as well. 

    I'm not denying people have died. I'm just querying the fact that this person knows 'a few people who have died' whereas I and anyone I know does not know anybody. He must be extremely unlucky...

    Do you always use anecdotal evidence as a starting point? 

    I know of 4 people who have died from covid. Rather than everyone else being unlucky do you think you might just be lucky to have not known anyone? 

  2. 12 hours ago, leedsvaliant said:
    On 27/11/2021 at 06:29, WV said:
    99.97%? Really? I'm not a mathematician but it's quite simple maths. In England there has been 8.54m cases and 126k deaths. How do you make that 99.97%?  I make it 1.46% of cases in England have lead to death. 
    England's population is around 56m people. If we used the whole population vs death for a percentage it would come to 0.22% so still way above your 0.03% claim. 
    But not everyone will get it so the only numbers to use are cases and deaths and nothing you can do with those leads to 0.03%
     
     

    Apologies 99.7%. It still doesn't warrant the panic.

    98.54. 

    Why are you counting people who haven't caught it in survival rate? 

    What else have you got wrong? You seemed so certain of your numbers. Isnt that a red flag that you might be wrong? That you have just made numbers up to strengthen your argument. Why would you need to do that if you were right? 

    Can you try and deal in facts from now on? 

  3. 19 minutes ago, Mario said:
    11 hours ago, toyahw said:
    Why are rabid anti vaxxers so wound up?  Chill. You are jamming up the frigging hospitals so more people die of cancer. Hope that makes you feel good. 

    There are people who will argue and argue remember V2001 there were some who would not accept what a bunch of tossers they were And kept on and on and then disappeared under there rock when proved wrong, same here with Covid don't exist, hospitals aren't getting full it's all propaganda oh and by the way you did know the earth was flat

    And the moon landing was a hoax

  4. 7 hours ago, leedsvaliant said:

    99.97% and not everyone will get it. 600,000 people die every year in the UK alone.
     

    99.97%? Really? I'm not a mathematician but it's quite simple maths. In England there has been 8.54m cases and 126k deaths. How do you make that 99.97%?  I make it 1.46% of cases in England have lead to death. 

    England's population is around 56m people. If we used the whole population vs death for a percentage it would come to 0.22% so still way above your 0.03% claim. 

    But not everyone will get it so the only numbers to use are cases and deaths and nothing you can do with those leads to 0.03%

     

     

  5. 3 hours ago, leedsvaliant said:
    6 hours ago, WV said:
    I wonder how many of the covid only kills 1% so nothing to worry about crew will be up in arms about the 0.000001% of vaccinated people suffering bad side effects from the vaccine or worse dying from related issues? 

    It's not 1%. The death rate is thought to be around 0.25%. The initial assumption was 1%, hence the obscene panic.

    The percentage doesn't panic me. The hundreds of thousands of deaths worry me regardless. Perhaps I just have a bit more empathy or value life a little more than you. 

    I'm sure you said it was 99.9% not too long ago. The difference in percentage may not mean much to you but 0.24% of the worlds population is 16.8m people. 

  6. I wonder how many of the covid only kills 1% so nothing to worry about crew will be up in arms about the 0.000001% of vaccinated people suffering bad side effects from the vaccine or worse dying from related issues? 

  7. 3 hours ago, leedsvaliant said:

    I've seen those before and as I said there are studies that potentially show mask wearing in a positive way. I would argue that many of those are correlation and not causation studies. For example, I could say that if you place a turnip in your car it reduces your chances of an accident. If I did this with a number of cars and there were no accidents I could claim that it was the turnip.

    For most of those examples, the assumption is made that masks reduced the transmission but it could have been a number of factors.

    Clearly didn't read any of them all the way through then if that is your response. 

    Admit it, you've made your mind up and no amount of actual evidence will change it. 

  8. 15 hours ago, leedsvaliant said:

    So the CDC isn't a strong source? Several leading medical journals aren't a strong source? Several leading figures in epidemiology isn't a strong source? Yet somebody used The Guardian as their source earlier.

    There are many studies that support mask wearing but very few that base it on real world evidence and those that do tend to have been performed under clinical conditions or with a poor or biased data subset.

    Now....please provide me with your counter argument, backed with sourced real world examples of why masks are effective. Like most, you're just going along with the charade because some clever sounding guy on the TV said so.

    Tell me this....if this was such a deadly pandemic and the powers that be truly believed that masks were effective, why have many of them been caught out not wearing them? Why don't the royals wear them? Why did the G8 leaders not wear them? Why does Biden take his on and off just for the cameras?

    It's a placebo, a chance to remind people that danger lurks on every corner, they know it's rubbish and many of them have even admitted that it's a comfort blanket.

    Happily many people are starting to cotton on. Funnily enough, the only places I see masks now are slightly more upmarket places like sainsbury's and m and s. The virtue signalling middle class...look how much I care brigade.

    SCHOLAR.GOOGLE.COM

    Just a handful of actual peer reviewed studies. Click of a button away. All very well respected with a few more on Google scholar for you to peruse. No TV reports or guardian articles. Actual real world scientists who have tested and tested this. Enjoy the read LV 

  9. 1 hour ago, leedsvaliant said:
    9 hours ago, WV said:
    Absolutely wild statement with no evidence to back up. Classic LV 

    Did you not read the link with many real world studies that I posted previously? Clearly not. Once again not trying to counter with any of your own arguments. You're not very good at this are you?

    "Most of the real world evidence"

    Do you have any evidence that it is "most"? Like real world evidence? To say most would indicate that you have a percentage of studies that support your claim. Have you just ignored ones that don't? 

    Wild claims need backing up. You dont back yours up with strong sources. 

  10. On 23/11/2021 at 15:40, leedsvaliant said:
    On 23/11/2021 at 15:34, valiant_593 said:
     
    They do work. there is evidence out there that suggests they do. 

    . Most of the real world (I.e. not modelled) evidence suggests they offer next to no use which is why I side with that argument.

    Absolutely wild statement with no evidence to back up. Classic LV 

  11. On 22/11/2021 at 22:42, Regal Beagle said:

    It's a shame he was such a massive racist who loved terrorists and hated britain. He'd have had a good chance otherwise.

     

     

    Youre on about Boris surely. 

  12. 3 hours ago, Paul6754 said:

    The majority of people wouldn't be bothered. The increase in the number of interracial marriages in the USA and likely in the west over the last 50-60 years is an absolute indication there is less racism in the USA/west now than there was back then.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/05/18/1-trends-and-patterns-in-intermarriage/

    400px-Public_opinion_of_interracial_marriage_in_the_United_States.png

     

    Surely there are other factors in play here. The end of segregation for one? 

    People who weren't racist would have been shunned for marrying a different race 60 years ago in America. Not wanting to be shunned doesn't make someone a racist. 

    I thought as a scientist you wouldn't say its an absolute indication when so many other factors effect it rather than just a blanket people are less racist now. 

  13. 1 hour ago, mr.hobblesworth said:

    I would <ovf censored> love to see you go up to the guy in my office who has just lost his wife to Covid and describe it as "a fairly benign virus". You could go and tell my colleague who lost her mum to the virus too, after you'd picked your teeth up off the floor.

    He will tell you not to be emotional. And tell your colleague to not be so emotional. It only kills 1% so what's the big deal. 

  14. 8 minutes ago, leedsvaliant said:

    I kind of agree with some of that but the whole basis that this could get out of hand was based on modelling that used a wildly inaccurate infection to fatality ratio. Hence the prediction of 500,000 deaths in the UK without action. The proof that this was never likely to be the case is in the fact of the places that took a lighter touch or very little action did not see the devastation that was predicted. There's also a lot of misattribution of cause of death going on which is clear when you look at all cause mortality.

    Lockdown should never be the go to at any point, not only because of the massive social, societal and mental harms that it inflicts. Not to mention the massive harms to future generations. We have seen that there are other, more moderate ways of coping with a fairly benign virus, particularly if you are under the age of 80. If there was a 5 or 10% fatality rate and it was affecting all ages then I would be the first to ask for protections to be put in place. I can't help thinking that this has 'the boy who cried wolf ' connotations, whereby if something really serious came along people wouldn't be so compliant. We must never again use lockdown to protect the NHS. It's there to protect us, not the other way around. And if it's not fit to increase capacity in the winter months then something needs doing about it now.

    The more people who get the virus, the more people will die from the virus. No restrictions means the virus will spread more easily. It is quite simple really. 

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  15. 1 hour ago, leedsvaliant said:

    Another idiotic comment, completely disregarding any of my arguments and using the 'conspiracy theory ' slander. When have I ever said Covid isn't real? When have I ever said that governments are in on a huge conspiracy? Never.

    They've hugely over egged the reaction based on poor modelling and poor interpretation of data but I don't believe they are doing it maliciously or as part of some worldwide plot. Some are definitely taking advantage of prolonging this as much as possible for their own ends 'never waste a good crisis '.

    The trouble with your argument is that it's all based on emotion. Your only counter argument is to decry me as a nutcase, crackpot, conspiracy theorist. You never actually try and counter argue anything I've said. That's why people who disagree with the official narrative are afraid to put their head above the parapet as they know they'll get drowned out by the bedwetters.

    I don't counter argue with people who believe the earth is flat, or that the moon landing was fake either. Mainly for the same reason I dont with you. You are unable to change your mind even in the face of overwhelming evidence  Debate can lead to changed minds but you are not capable hence this back and forth we have. 

  16. 1 hour ago, Regal Beagle said:

    Yeah Leeds Valiant, you should read some proper news like the stuff that is sponsored by the people who make more and more money the longer the crisis goes on, the more scared people are and the lack of any alternative treatments/preventions available. 

     

     

     

     

    The irony of this post coming from someone who won't have a bad word said about the tories is perfect. 

    Its going to be a long way back to reality for you from that rabbit hole your head has fallen down. 

    you and LV are why access to the Internet for everyone was a bad idea. 

     

    "We don't have covid on top, its just replaced other causes"

    Would love some elaboration on this even if just for Sunday entertainment 

     

  17. 12 hours ago, leedsvaliant said:


     

     


    Your proof that masks are having any demonstrable effect in Spain and Portugal? Oh that's right....none. We don't have Covid on top, it's just replacing other normal causes.

    My head is not in the sand. I don't just blindly accept everything I am told. To be honest the reaction of a lot of people to this has been pathetic.

     

    This is why you are a seen as a lunatic. 

    You have been taken in by youtube scientists and the need to be different. This is what happens when you get your opinions from secret facebook groups. 

    Show me some evidence that other causes of deaths have gone down to the same level covid deaths have gone up. IN the last 5 years please. I shall not hold my breath. 

  18. 5 minutes ago, Coyney Valiant said:

    If they want to boo for what ever reason they can boo it’s a free country and cos they don’t agree with you they are loud mouth brain dead morons   Unbelievable 

    When you are booing an anti racism gesture I would say that makes them braindead. Would you be ok with people booing the poppy wearers? A minutes silence/applause? If you wouldn't then I think that would be a bit hypocritical. 

    Anyway, let them boo, I am sure that will get people queueing at the turnstiles. 

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  19. 8 hours ago, Santa said:

    1. The queues around the Railway Stand turnstiles / gate to Synectics car park are a bit of a free for all, especially around the new bollard they put up. A bit of organisation would be useful around there.

    2. There’s still a significant minority of people that boo the knee every week. I’ve not seen the Sky footage so I don’t know if these people succeeded in embarassing us on national television. I don’t know how we can reach out to them and get them to at the very least be anti-anti-racist a bit more quietly. 

    Thats the issue though, those that boo it don't do anything quietly. It's a collection of illiterate, loud mouth, braindead morons. They are always the loudest. Empty vessels and all that. 

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