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  1. 9 minutes ago, Joe B said:

    I think DC had a good relationship with him.

    Askey ostracised and de-registered him. I'm sure DC said he wanted to work with him + re-registered him. Talked about McKirdy having certain 'mental mechanisms' to deal with stuff which he had to change.

    I think McKirdy would agree that getting released by Vale was a good move for him. He wouldn't get in the team this year and has gone somewhere that play a style that suits him.

    He'll get stick as that's what football is all about, but I'd be shocked if he had a personal axe to grind with DC.

    He has nothing but good words to say about DC and surprisingly about Askey as well since leaving. He just says it didn't work for whatever reason and is now happy and scoring for fun at Swindon. 

  2. He hasn’t taken his problems to Swindon seemingly. He is enjoying his football there. I spoke to him last week and he said that it’s just Swindon’s formation works perfectly for him and our style of play didn’t. The stars would suggest he is right. 

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  3. Just now, leedsvaliant said:
    2 minutes ago, WV said:
    Ok then, of course you read it and made a decision based on the content of the papers rather than dismiss them as your mind is already made up and clearly no amount of evidence, from well respected members of the scientific community, will ever change that concrete mind. 
     

    I could equally apply that to you. I have weighed up both sides of the argument and I made the decision that this reaction was a complete nonsense. There is some convincing work from the pro lockdown people but the vast majority to me is just rubbish.

    You haven't weighed up anything. You have stuck to your opinion in the face of overwhelming evidence that says that opposite. Very fluid. 

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  4. 2 minutes ago, leedsvaliant said:
    4 minutes ago, WV said:
    Lets be honest, you wilfuly ignored Pauls actual evidence, the papers I pointed you in the direction of were ignored. If anyone is being emotional and stubborn and ignoring/dismissing actual evidence here it is you. 

    I didn't ignore it. I addressed it and provided counters to it, which also countered many of the studies he presented.

    Ok then, of course you read it and made a decision based on the content of the papers rather than dismiss them as your mind is already made up and clearly no amount of evidence, from well respected members of the scientific community, will ever change that concrete mind. 

    You are the opposite of open minded about this or anything. I will happily change my mind should you ever provide any amount of evidence that what I am thinking is incorrect. Any peer reviewed papers that say anything you have said would be a start. 

     

    Surgical face mask holes too big and covid can travel through - where is this in an actual paper? Not a magazine article or facebook status

     

  5. 2 minutes ago, leedsvaliant said:


     

     


    An emotional argument isn't necessarily a lie or incorrect. It just relies on emotion rather than evidence. Those who have been predominantly for this have generally used emotion rather than actual real evidence to back their point.

     

    Lets be honest, you wilfuly ignored Pauls actual evidence, the papers I pointed you in the direction of were ignored. If anyone is being emotional and stubborn and ignoring/dismissing actual evidence here it is you. 

  6. Just now, leedsvaliant said:
    2 minutes ago, WV said:
     
    What is the percentage of people suffering heart problems? This is going to be somewhere in the region of 0.00000001%. Do you have any actual evidence that the vaccine has caused any of these issues? Actual real world evidence? 

    That's why I said that it currently looks very small and we can only rely on anecdotal evidence at the moment. That doesn't mean we should disregard it.

    So covid with (According to you) 0.1% chance of death is nothing to worry about but this heart problem with no actual evidence, real world or laboratory and odds of a 1000x less than covid is now a cause for concern for you. Righto

  7. 2 minutes ago, leedsvaliant said:

    This is dangerous territory for me. The many more instances of heart problems can't be ignored. It may be a huge coincidence but it seems to be happening more and more in healthy young people. Before anyone labels this as a conspiracy, it's just genuinely asking the question about whether it's right to force highly fit, healthy young people to take a vaccine that they don't need which can have unintended (although admittedly very small as far as we are aware) consequences.

    Even if people see that fear as irrational, I see the fear of Covid as irrational so it works both ways.

     

    What is the percentage of people suffering heart problems? This is going to be somewhere in the region of 0.00000001%. Do you have any actual evidence that the vaccine has caused any of these issues? Actual real world evidence? 

  8. 2 minutes ago, leedsvaliant said:


     

     


    I agree that vaccines are probably worth it for people over a certain age or people like your mum. I don't like getting involved in personal stories but how can you be sure that Covid would have killed her? Even in the highly vulnerable it has never been a death sentence, so I always find these claims kind of difficult to quantify. Many people with stage 4 cancer caught Covid in 2020 and didn't succumb to it. It presents as mild to moderate illness in most people, the vast majority of people, vulnerable or not.

    Old and vulnerable people are just a bit more likely to suffer from a virus as they are with all viruses. That's why many elderly people ultimately succumb to pneumonia.

    In your circumstances, it may well be true that a vaccine has helped but for the vast majority, they don't need it.

     

    If you don't believe that having the vaccine increases your chances of not being hospitalised or seriously ill with COVID then there is no hope left for you. 

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  9. 4 minutes ago, leedsvaliant said:
    40 minutes ago, WV said:
    Labelling anybody who doesn't agree with you "emotional" is exactly the same as what you complain of here. People can't make rational decisions when in highly emotional states and that is what you are suggesting every time someone doesn't agree with you. So if someone doesn't agree with you then they mustn't be in a fit state of mind to make a correct judgement is basically how you come across. Slightly hypocritical given your stance wouldn't you say? 

    No, because labelling someone as a conspiracy theorist is essentially saying that they are lying. This is emotional v rational. Both sides could claim to be correct.

    A conspiracy theorist is somebody who believes in conspiracy theories, nowhere does that equate to you are lying, just that you believe in things that are highly unlikely to be true. Why is it that anyone who doesn't go against the general consensus is only doing that because they are emotional and not able to make rational judgement. Is that what you genuinely believe? 

  10. 4 minutes ago, Playa Amodores said:

    I apologise if someone has already made this point as the thread is very long. Serie A players have to be vaccinated to play after 10/1/22. Is this the way forward.?

    Vaccination is the way forward. My mother is currently in Dougie Mac hospice with stage 4 lung cancer and a few days ago caught COVID in there. Without vaccinations she would not be here and she is currently making a recovery from COVID with oxygen and round the clock care.  

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  11. 36 minutes ago, leedsvaliant said:

    You see, this is the issue we have. Anyone who disagrees with the actions taken in the last 2 years is labelled a conspiracy nutter. Such has the propaganda been so effective. Terms like 'covidiot' don't get formed by accident. Some of the world's most eminent health experts and scientists have also been completely trashed for daring to have an opinion different to the narrative.

    It's no conspiracy theory for me. It's simply the combination of an unreliable test, poor and inaccurate modelling, only listening to one side of the 'science ' and governments worldwide hugely over reacting to all of the above for fear of getting blamed.

    That some people have been so blinded by the emotional argument of 'but people have died!' is very difficult to overcome.

    Labelling anybody who doesn't agree with you "emotional" is exactly the same as what you complain of here. People can't make rational decisions when in highly emotional states and that is what you are suggesting every time someone doesn't agree with you. So if someone doesn't agree with you then they mustn't be in a fit state of mind to make a correct judgement is basically how you come across. Slightly hypocritical given your stance wouldn't you say? 

  12. 1 hour ago, Regal Beagle said:

    You are so far gone I feel sorry for you.

     

    You cannot give me one example of an EU country rolling out AZ/Pfizer/Moderna in anywhere near the same levels as we did. The actual PRESIDENT OF THE EU COMMISSION admits that we were at massive advantage. I posted the quotes. You've read them.

     

    I saw a hungarian news story which spoke of how well they'd done by approving the Chinese and Russian vaccines early which added to the EU procured western vaccines afterwards.

     

    They had to go to Russia and China for their early vaccines, we went to Pfizer and AstraZeneca. You honestly don't see a different in that?

     

    I think the fact that you are arguing this one is quite silly if I'm honest. It just highlights to me that there will be no concessions from you on the brexit subject. Everything has to be anti-brexit or nothing. Take the loss, you'll actually look a bit more believable on the battles you can actually win then.

    Why does it have to be AZ/Moderna/Pfizer? Are you so afraid of Russian and Chinese vaccines? Can you show me some solid peer reviewed papers that show that those other vaccines are no good? I will wait...

     

    Do you swallow up what the MSM tell you about those countries? And you say I am gone. Quite funny really. You used to make some sense, now you are a rambling hypocritical conspiracy loon. Sorry to see you go this way. 

  13. 1 hour ago, Regal Beagle said:

    Yeah in theory. Why do you think only Hungary did it though? And they had to approve the Chinese and Russian vaccinations and still couldn't beat our early rollout of the AZ and Pfizer vaccines.

     

    As for the rest, I refer you to the post you quoted. Your best example of why we should be in the EU in this matter is a country that directly went against the EU and supposedly did better for it. Is that right?

    If you want to put words into my mouth then that is up to you. You are the one who said this 

     

    "We also have to remember that being outside of the EU gave us an absolutely massive advantage in the vaccination race early on"

    I just argued that your point wasn't true. The rest of it is all conjecture on your part.

     

    Why do you think only Hungary did it though?

    NOthing to do with the EU blocking them from doing it though? Will you agree your statement just wasn't true then? 

     

  14. 2 hours ago, geosname said:

    Another aide, Anji Hunter, had warned that the government was "losing moral authority by the second", thanks to the "sleaze" factor.

     

    As well as the lord chancellor's renovations, there had been questions about Foreign Secretary Robin Cook taking his partner on an official trip, and concerns over stories about blind trusts used by senior Labour members.

    One aide said the real problem was that ex-ministers knew exactly what questions to ask - "and we are being flat-footed in answering them".

    The prime minister agreed, the papers show, writing: "We need to stop it".

    He set out a counter-attack to reveal the previous government's spending on trips, their party spending on receptions and refreshments.

    Mr Blair wrote that this could be used as a strategy to dispel accusations his administration was the "same" as the Tories, the files reveal.

     

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  15. 13 minutes ago, FriedRice said:

    He can express whatever he likes as long as it doesnt break twitters terms and conditions

    It depends on the social media clauses in his contract more than twitter itself. I would have thought that the club would be inserting some clauses into new contracts after Pope and now Legge's embarrassing behaviour on Twitter. 

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  16. 8 minutes ago, Regal Beagle said:

    I didn't. You read it that way because it's the only way you can possibly disagree with my post.

     

    One of my absolute favourite tactics of remainers was when they said "oh but we can just veto that". We already had the most vetos. Now your arguing for why we should veto even more stuff. 

     

    You know what WV. I fully agree with you, we shouldn't follow the EU and we should go our own way, as should Hungary, as should everyone else.

     

     

    "We also have to remember that being outside of the EU gave us an absolutely massive advantage in the vaccination race early on"

    So an advantage we had purely just from leaving was that we could crack on with our vaccination program? But we could have done that without leaving anyway then as done by EU member Hungary? Is that right?

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  17. 3 minutes ago, Regal Beagle said:

    Some more straw manning from WV. It's expected albeit very boring now.

     

    Please don't tell me what I believe, especially when you are wrong about so much. I'm not even going to address that constructively as it will just legitimise your dishonest deflection tactics.

     

    A very quick google shows that Orban went his own way on vaccines, they approved the China and Russian vaccinations before the EU had approved any. So your best defence on this is evidence is an EU country that went against the EU?

     

    Hey, don't take my word for it, why not Ursula?:

     

    I'm pretty sure I've used the speedboat analogy more than once, going back a few years, on this forum. So lets not talk about re-writing history or pretending this is a brand new thing that no one had foreseen.

     

    This is EXACTLY why I wanted to leave the EU. To approve the vaccinations, they had to pass it though their council and have it signed off by representatives of the 27 member states. But in fairness to them, at least they were properly <ovf censored> in a "unified" way:

     

     

    They're so much into "unity" that they had to threaten AZ and Pfizer with being raided and having their products seized, they threatened the UK with trade sanctions if we didn't agree to give up our own procured vaccinations.

     

    It's pretty clear cut I'm afraid. We told you that the EU acts in this way. They're not a trading bloc, they're a political protection ring acting like a sovereign nation ran by power hungry and corrupt politicians who often fail in politics in their own country. 

     

    Fair play for even trying to swerve this one, but this was the main reason we voted out. Whenever James O'Brien moved his goalposts on the "what law would you change" - that was never the question, the question was about creating our own laws, controlling our own destiny. The vaccine roll out proved that it can and does work.

     

     

    You made it sound very much like the EU would not have let us do our own thing with the vaccine. It seems that they didn't stop Hungary. 

     

    So just to clarify...you could do your own thing without the EU permission then?

  18. 1 hour ago, valiant_593 said:

    If you read what he’s posting he’s a full on <ovf censored> nevermind a mad man. He’s employed by the club as a professional and shouldn’t be posting that <ovf censored> on Twitter. Hes not even posting an opinion, he’s just posting blatant lies. He’s already been picked up in his comments by piers Morgan. Giving the club a bad name and needs ridding of 

    Apparently your opinion that he is a mad man isn't allowed but his mad opinions are. 

  19. 1 hour ago, Coyney Valiant said:

    You’re not allowed to have an opinion these days unless it fits in with masses and the media 

    Yes you are, but if your opinion is the world is flat, the moon landing didn't happen or that covid is fake then expect to be ridiculed for your stupid and potentially dangerous opinion. 

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  20. 46 minutes ago, Regal Beagle said:

     

    People wanted to leave the EU, they wanted the UK to regain sovereignty for our laws and policy making. We now have that.

     

    So based on the number one reason people voted for brexit, it is a success.

     

    We also have to remember that being outside of the EU gave us an absolutely massive advantage in the vaccination race early on, literally saving lives, the direct opposite of the lies that remainers bought into - brexit being a "death cult" that would mean we would not be able to get medication.

     

    So it does depend on the metrics you use and how honest you are.

    It really didn't give us any advantage in the vaccination though. That just isn't true. How did Hungary, a member of the EU offer vaccination at the same time as us if what you are saying is true? What was the date of our first vaccination? And Hungarys? It would be good if people didn't re write history to suit. 

    I guess it depends on how honest you are

     

     

    For a guy who doesn't think Covid is the cause for most of the deaths recorded how can you now say that starting vaccinations a week earlier than Hungary saved lots of lives? You don't seem to know what you believe, seems like you spin anything and everything to suit your argument without and care for what you have said previously. Based on that I don't think you actually have a point of view, you just like to be contrarian whatever the subject, whether that be covid, brexit, Smurf or v2001. 

     

    However quick we were to start this is not continued success now over the EU if we are comparing. 

    Actually our uptake is one of the worst in the continent now somewhere around 70%. This is a failure and could be attributed to why our numbers are so high, forget high testing numbers, let's look at the percentage of positive tests to tests taken. We are at the bottom of that league. But still, YAY Brexit, it is so successful. 

     

     

  21. 30 minutes ago, FriedRice said:

    Your a better fan than me never heard of either of these guys but I think Wrexham is a train wreck waiting to happen its proven you cant guarantee anything by spending big ( bury.derby.everton )

    There are teams like Salford, Fleetwood and more that show it can be done if done right as well.  Wrexham have got a couple of mega rich owners that seem genuinely happy to own a football club. I would imagine they want to leave a legacy of success. 

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