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5 minutes ago, Warren said:
The season just finished we won 3, drew 1, lost 1 v L2 sides. I'm counting the penalty shoot out game v Crewe as drawn. We had a bias in home games, but also a bias in playing teams at the top end of L2 in Wrexham, Mansfield and Crewe. So that's 10 points from 15 possible if these were L2 games. That would be enough to garnish 90 points plus over the season and put us well in contention for the L2 championship or automatic promotion.
In these games, we gave the young players a chance, but also had access to our loan players. So we can speculate.
But I'm overall pretty dismayed by this we will will struggle in L2 stuff with the players we have. It is just not supported by the evidence from the season just completed and we have time to be better equipped by August.
We also had Arblaster and Devine.
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He’s probably not league 1 level anymore. Would do for one season in league 2 I think
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We wouldn’t have signed Bannan if we stayed up. There isn’t a chance of him coming here let’s be realistic.
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I don’t remember Crookes being that bad. Not to the level of Jones, Mills and Fitzpatrick
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7 minutes ago, EricHamesis said:
Showed nothing at all against us last week. Lost count of the number of times he ignored a run past our defender to the goal line and just passed it back.
That will have been tactical. No need for them to attack given they only needed a point
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Gibbons released by Bristol. I think I would take him at this level. I’m not one for ex players, but I think he could be a real asset to us.
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5 minutes ago, Warren said:
I think he's the least ready and needs to develop. But I'm a lot more happy about the rest. I want to see Dipepa, Walters and Plant starting. We need Dipepa in particular to start and score goals. I fear he will be gone in the Summer or in January in which case deploying the fee correctly is important. The other young players need to step up to L2. The point is we have committed to an academy system and I agree there are risks of playing youth players who may not be good enough. But if that is the club's business and football model, then braveness is needed. The current Liverpool squad was decimated for part of the season, but the young players came in and kept them near the top of the league. It's stuttered recently relying on a striker who isn't good enough - Nunez. Jayden Danns will come in next season with Nunez likely moved to the left. He's a strong dribbler.
Personally I don’t think we committed to this youth academy approach, it was just the result of consistent horrible transfer windows. Realistically, other than Plant, the youth players shouldn’t have been close to the first team this season. Shorrock I like, he has a lot of potential, but needs a full season playing men’s football in non league, imo the same for lomax and walters. It’s a joke that these were involved in league 1 football and just result of David Flitcroft. Dipepa I would put in the same category but seems to have come on quite a lot recently, if we keep him, him and plant would be the only ones I’d want involved in the match day squads this season. Get the others a full season under their belt and come back next season with us
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4 hours ago, Warren said:
Yes, but we are asking Shorrock to play in L2 and not La Liga. Being ready at the different standards is equally feasible.
He’s clearly not ready.
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52 minutes ago, Valiiant said:
I'm not over-rating anyone. But I know that most the sides in League Two won't be anywhere near the same quality as League One.
Yes just like us.
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31 minutes ago, Davo666 said:
Surely we should have kept Willow on a pay as you play deal if that would have been possible.....that's my thought anyway, top player when fit...and better than most at our level when not fully fit !! Think it's a mistake letting him go to be honest.
He’s never fit. Dosent score and when plays is recovering from an injury. Sorry his record isn’t remotely good enough. Pay as you play is barely a think anymore. Move on, he’s barely scored a goal in league 1, he’s better than the numpties we have up front but that Dosent mean he should have been kept.
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3 hours ago, Warren said:
Messi, the greatest player of all time, started playing for Barcelona aged 17. Pele aged 17 played for Brazil in the 1958 World Cup final winning in Sweden.
Players are either ready or not. Walters, Dipepa and Plant are ready in my view. I'm hoping we keep Dipepi and he sticks in 20-30 goals next season.
Bit of a difference between Shorrock at 17 and Messi at 17 mate
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56 minutes ago, Warren said:
We need to retain and bring through the young players as regulars in the first team, move some players on in the retained list to provide scope to rebalance, improve up front and at the back and coach an effective playing system, make sure we have a squad that is very fit and available.
I think we had a jumbled imbalanced squad last season. But many players will be strong in L2 and there is no reason with good management that we can't finish in the top three.
The young players aren’t ready yet. Shorrock looks talented but he’s just turned 17.
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1 hour ago, valeparklife said:
It's very simple for me.
Cole Stockton would be a great shout. With Burton staying up, he's clearly surplus to requirements there. And surely we could offer a better package than Barrow.
There is our first striker.
Then we need to cherry pick someone from another smaller club, such as Will Evans or Klaidi Lolos. Carol to fund this to correct her mistakes.
There is our 2nd striker.
Then you've got Dipepa 3rd choice, and Loft 4th choice.
I think Uche will reject us personally, but let's see.
Should have been in for him last season.
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7 hours ago, Valiiant said:
Nonsense. Chislett, Garrity and Ojo are League One quality. Clark is a good League Two player when fit. Same with Smith. Dipepa will be much better from having experienced some football this season. Ripley would be one of the best goalies in League Two...
I think some people are forgetting just how poor many League Two sides are. We won't be facing anything like the same quality as the top half of League One. Look how poor we made Mansfield look in the Cup last season and the only real difference in that side were the two loanees.
Chislett and garrity won’t be with us.
Clarke is never fit.
Ojo isn’t interested.
We outplayed Mansfield with our quality loanees. We just squeezed past relegated Sutton at home and beat Crewe but we completely outplayed. This squad is not remotely good enough.-
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7 minutes ago, Valiiant said:
And do you think League Two sides will have all bases covered?
We have none of the basis covered.
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35 minutes ago, Stockleys_socks said:
If we have 4 strikers on the books, explain to me the types of strikers you would have. I bet a big number 9 would be amongst them. If so, give me a list of league 2 number 9s who would do a better job than uche.
To be honest I don’t no league 2 strikers. I do no Smith has been released from Salford and scores a hell of a lot more than Uche. If we can’t manage to sign a striker better than Uche then we might as well shut the doors. If Uche stays he will be on good money, he will be our main man. We can’t afford him when his return this season was 1 goal and assist in 19 games. I’m more than certain we could find a target man who can produce better numbers than that.
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2 hours ago, Valiiant said:
And the vast majority of them will be out of our reach for numerous reasons. I'm no fan of Uche. I wouldn't care less if both him and Loft were on the move as long as they are replaced. But out of the two, I think he has a bit more of the nuisance factor than Loft. If we were a League Two club and we signed Ikpeazu I think most would be saying what a great signing it is.
Not on the back of seeing him last season they wouldn’t. I was happy when he signed, but some of the misses were beyond bad. We shouldn’t be signing a striker up with 1 assist and 1 goal. He will be on very decent money as well. Get rid whilst we can and start a fresh.
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18 minutes ago, Stockleys_socks said:
Big difference between L1 and L2 so be careful what we wish for. Persuading good players to join us in L2 not going to be easy. Re Uche, he's a pain in the arse for opposition defences. Every team needs one who isn't necessarily prolific. His problem has been he's being judged on goals because we haven't got any other strikers capable of scoring. If we can pick up at least 2 goalscorers then uche will be a big asset playing alongside them.
We playing 3 strikers then? I’m sorry but a striker, in fact a footballer shouldn’t be missing chances like on Saturday.
Not sure what be careful what you wish for is suggesting. We’ve just been relegated with possibly the worst vale side I have ever seen. Some of these muppets aren’t league 2 players.
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25 minutes ago, Warren said:
The retained list is on the website. Not unexpected. At L2 level this is a competitive squad as we have seen when playing L2 teams last season. Good idea to play players in their best positions - such as Sang. But with young players coming through that is pretty much a full squad. So my question is what trading is likely to occur as we all know where the weaknesses are even if the intrinsic squad is not too bad.
No it isn’t. We played league 2 sides with Arblaster and Devine. Take garrity and chislett out as they will leave and we are not remotely close. This squad is the complete opposite of competitive. And let’s not get carried away with the league 2 sides we beat this season. Sutton have been relegated, Crewe out played us and we played well at Mansfield.
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6 minutes ago, Vtid said:
Other clubs have named & shamed the ones they don’t want anymore publicly
We are too nice on and off the pitch. I’d be saying Grant, jones, loft, Lowe ect are no longer required by the club and are transfer listed. I’m still hopeful this has happened just not in this list
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12 minutes ago, JoeB2 said:
Uche is a completely unique player who has spent the last few years playing 30+ games a season in the Championship. He’ll never be prolific but he offers a physical profile we simply won’t find anywhere else.
There’s a good reason you won’t find a player like that anywhere else in professional football.
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2 minutes ago, Vtid said:
Suprised not a single player has been made available for transfer publicly though. Other clubs have clearly stated who’s been made available to leave & up for sale
Maybe we’re keeping them. Can see Moore telling fans Loft and Uche will be an erm great erm league 2 strike force.
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Let’s hope the majority are moved on, otherwise we’re well and truly <ovf censored>.
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Moore rates Uche, has been after him at other clubs. It’s an abomination of a decision to offer him a deal but i expected it
Summer transfer rumours and speculation
in Port Vale present
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Why? His attitude isn’t great but he would be a level about league 2 Imo