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1 hour ago, TJHValiant said:
The interest may not be owed to Carol, it is owed to the creditors. My point is, it is the club in debt, not Carol personally. If it all goes wrong, the club goes bust, not Carol.
Nothing sinister about that, it’s the case with any business but the idea she is some saviour putting herself on the line for Vale is wide of the mark.
Most clubs run that way, so Carol is the saviour, she owns the club. If all chairs/owners, added up over world football, the money owed to them. We could probably feed the world and save the planet at the same time.
Carol and the family own the club, they decide what losses to take and obviously they want to make the Vale viable/sustainable. I see the income was not on the accounts, plus I feel some jobs have been restructured from SS. Spending under SCMP is related to turnover.
If someone else wants to be a saviour, then I do not see any past Carol and Kevin?
Hopefully when we stay up, we may get an update on some of these ?'
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1 hour ago, werstayinup said:
According to Carol all of the board agreed that any transfer fees the majority will go back into the playing side,so if we manage to drag in any big sell ons from the young uns sold or fees for any of our players in the future,then we could follow the Peterborough model i guess
Why the Peterborough model? They have struggled to make it work. Yes they have sold players for money, but they have spent all of it also.
They seem to be another Rotherham, Champ one year then Lg1 when they cannot compete again.
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4 minutes ago, Paul6754 said:
Good point but 3 would have been a dream. People say there's no luck in football, well how the ball didn't go in the Wigan net from the deflected shot by Plant and the follow up by Dipepa was pure luck for Wigan.
Massive game Wednesday for Vale and Tuesday for Cheltenham.
Still got a fighting chance of staying up.
They hit the inside of the post and Yak nearly had an OG on his record.
Luck is not the way to win football games.
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It all boils down to the players.
Are they any good? Are they injured? Will we make money if we sell? Do we own them?
The rest of the ? could include Are they flexible or a leader and show good character?
Flitcroft is in a job that is tough, loads of players around, most of which are useless or expensive has beens.
So I like the youth approach, but to get promotion out of League 2 and stagnate, perhaps even go backwards with recruiting, is criminal.
No point singling out individuals, but I will Jones is not fit and Clarke not fit, so we play wingbacks and if Jones or Clarke go past the halfway line they cannot get back to defend, they are knackered.
So we rely on Massey and Mighten to help them out. (not the best defenders in the world, but they should be not required to do that all the time).
So as a DoF you have the choice, give Jones a 2 year contract when he is useful for a long throw and will fill a gap, or go and find a player that has the pace, strength to play a wingback role.
Tough role need to be solid in defence and create chances in attack.
We moan about the lack of strikers, but the defence is our main issue.
We drop so deep, because no player trusts the other to do their job, hence we concede easy goals by basically getting in our own way.
So do we blame the Players. Manager or DoF?
Budget helps obviously. But we are not ruthless and have a team, who think all they need to do is turn up, put up with a few boos and go home with the money. (again the youth team, again earn money, but hopefully they WANT to improve).
We have been here before, yeah it is frustrating, but even though I mentioned the players above. We have all had days/jobs/injury/things we can put off, so we do not perform at 100%.
Happens in life and sport.
So I am a HC in theory, but chances given have to prove results. DM what can you do with 25 men, who are in a struggle (even Warnock gave up on Aberdeen).
I have not mentioned the owners, who I believe have made the correct choice to keep us viable. But that comes at a cost, with lack of money for the first team and as the old adage "too many cooks spoil the broth" behind the scenes.
Think that is my longest ever post 🙂 lessons need to be put into progress. UTV
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4 minutes ago, soothsayer said:
Possibly but one thing’s for certain very few are good enough for L2 never mind L1.
I will excuse the young players from criticism as they still have time to develop but of the others, I’d only keep Ripley, Garrity and Clarke - they rest can be released or paid up (if we can afford to).
In return for my support all I ask is effort and commitment to the case unfortunately, there’s been none of that in 2024. I predict now it’ll take three transfer window to turn this mess round.The sad thing is when we did do well late 80's and after. We upgraded or replaced players. I know Bosman messed up some of the deals and money available.
But if we sold McCarthy we got Ainsworth. Plus all the other deals that made sure we made some money but were still competitive and got better.
We have Arblaster recalled and we get Lowe.
I do not want to single out individual players but the way we recruit was always going to be the issue. League 2 players trying to do well in League 1, with no players of that level or above bought in, get away once but not for long.
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Behind the scenes Carol has moved the club on, stadium is getting there, fan zone etc.
But that is not what fans want. Good football and a winning team, or at least a team that shows promise. We did bring in players ,we signed and one resigned 3 strikers. All are useless or injured.
The senior players we have are too slow, always injured or no better than before we gained promotion.
IF DF thinks any of these players he gave contracts to, apart from BG maybe, he, well I cannot put words down. None of them will improve and that is what a good DoF can do to a 24/28 age footballer, with the right management. But do we look?
Planty and the rest have time.
Vale do not have time to pay no hopers, just having the odd good game.
When we were good the team picked itself and the subs wanted to play. This team my cat could pick and it could be better than the one DM picks, not his fault, but that is how poor they are.
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Just now, Paul6754 said:
Yates or Bowers hit the nail on the head when one of 'em said, "This oxford team have 5 or 6 players that could play in the Championship", Vale currently don't seem to have any. Add to that the school boy errors of not attacking the ball in the area (1st goal) and having one Vale player going out to two Oxford players at a corner (2nd gal) and it's easy to see why Vale concede/give away "easy" goals.
5 months of it, the 7-0 at Barnsley showed where we could be at.
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8 minutes ago, cheeky said:
The one thing I can’t understand is that Carol is a very successful business woman. You don’t create a business and then sell it for £180m without having a bit of nouse and without being able to make hard decisions. In fact, I’d go as far to say you actually have to be quite ruthless to be that successful, and that is what makes the open letter, the fact Flitcroft is still in a job etc so bizarre.
Sometimes loyalty pays off, if you have the right team/workforce.
I am sure Carol may be thinking the same as most Vale fans now.
We either sack DM, remove DF? One may happen, but will leasons be learned?
None of this is personal to me, I just want the best for Vale and for them.
Wonder what Rudgie thinks and he is a diplomat.
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1 minute ago, Playa Amodores said:
Chizzy
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1 minute ago, Paul6754 said:
Absolute shambles, a huge gulf in quality and organization between those two teams.
The concern is the organization, shape and tactics on the pitch look worse under DM than under Crosby.
How can two Oxford players stand over a corner and only one Vale comes out to them and they score, it's school boy stuff, awful defending.
Can Vale declare now.
They missed the easy chances, both goals conceded were about heading a ball, the Baylee chance shows how bad we are, they blocked it, because that is what defenders are paid for.
The whole team, apart from the babies, looks like it is just turning up until the season ends. Shocking to see and where is Gore?
DF and the whole transfer team, including Carol and the other board members, need to have a massive rethink.
If I was DF I would resign, if I was Carol I would sack DF.
Hard decisions are tough, Carol I imagine is a person who sees the positives in people and gives them a chance. But I would only keep the youth team and get rid of the rest.
BenG, ConR, EthCh, but even then they are mid table lg1 players. Rest are showing it is about earning money, no fight, no skill, glad to have a job.
Scoreboard is great, pity it has no Vale goals to show. TC all, things can only get better.
We all feel the pain so support all your fellow Vale fans, even me as a Happy Clapper
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Garrity does not create so he is in the wrong role, with no decent ball players around him. Ojo well he is on downers, Lowe well he if off. Defence well they are worried about getting there boots dirty.
Once the rot sets in, it is hard and the players know it and it has spread to the fans.
If I was this bad at work I would be on gardening leave.
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1 minute ago, Doha said:
A season ticket at Alton Towers is less than 40% of the price of an early bird ST in the Lorne Street. 🙂
its a rollercoaster though
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I would stick Shorrock on instead of Jones. Poor young lads will be traumatised playing in this team, but Plant and Shorrock are fit not looking like they went out last night with Alan Brazil, George Best and Andre the giant
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Just now, Spunk Trumpet said:
The absolute state of this shower of <ovf censored> 😂
Youve gotta laugh.
Indeed, I would play the kids and make the rest clean the seats and the bogs
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Said before we need Ted Lasso
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Just now, pvfc1994 said:
We look like a half cut Sunday league side.
Jones was gassed after 10 mins, looked like he needed a zimmer frame, when he took the throw in. (apologies to anyone that uses one)
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Just now, Spunk Trumpet said:
He’s garbage.
Not on his toes.
Get him gone.
Dreadful defender at this level.
A lot arent, but thats for later. I am no good at Fifa, but even I dont look headless. Jones is horrible
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Just now, Spunk Trumpet said:
Nathan Smith.
Again.
Just hang your boots up lad.
Was not Smith, Wilson tried to head it got a nick and then hit Smith. Still a poor goal, but we would of missed it at the other end
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6 hours ago, TJHValiant said:
To an extent you need to make a stand and show a contract means something. If you keep applying the let them go approach every time a bid comes in, clubs will just make low offers knowing 9/10 a players wish will be granted.
Thats why you need a good manager, JR bought at the best price he could, values for buying went up as we moved up the leagues for the club. But he let players go he thought he could replace, if they wanted a move. May be an ageing player etc. Contract obviously is a back up for a player and the club.
I like the youth side of things, but sometimes you need a Tim Parkin.
If we do end up in LG 2, then I would say all the players must look at themselves and hard choices need to be made. Once your in the last chance saloon, then you have to prove, that you have learnt your lessons.
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Counselling may be required. I do understand the pain. I suggest you all watch Ted Lasso. May bring some pain and the DoF knows his s...Are you seriously a Vale fan?
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Same miss by Haaland the other week. All our forwards have had so few chances.Shocking from Wilson.
Yes we could have and needed to recruit a goalscorer. But the service is..... Has been all season
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9/2 to win tonight LO 11/20
At least if you bet you get good odds on us winning 🙂
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3 hours ago, Spunk Trumpet said:
Let alone the amount of Carols money he has spunked along the way.
Your fault for lending him your Trumpet 😬
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1 minute ago, valiant steve said:
Hopefully DM will work out quickly that Grant is useless and shouldn't be anywhere near our squad, let alone team.
We've had some <ovf censored> left backs over the years. He is up (down) there amongst the worst!
Hopefully Garrity will replace the <ovf censored> Wilson and the ineffective Loft as our striker for our final 15 games of the season.
On the plus side, we've looked more solid first half with 4 at the back. We need to lift our team on Saturday more than ever and try and inspire some sort of performance out of them.
It's sad that a club with an (apparently) awful owner has got better players than us. Do they have a campus?
Yes hence the debt
Wycombe (H) match thread - 16th April
in Port Vale present
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WTF is Grant doing, marking a space