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11 minutes ago, Wrex said:
Askey would want a different captain for any number of valid reasons. Perhaps he did discuss it with Carol beforehand. That part is very believable. Fact is Pope was replaced as captain in October so something was very probably rumbling on before then.
So let's say it's likely that conversation did take place in pre-season. Well clearly Askey made a balls of it because Pope remained as captain for ten weeks into the season before it was taken off him. Askey may well have hoped that by saying "this order comes from the top" would stop any arguement, not counting on Pope storming off and ringing up the chair woman.
We notice a pattern of behaviour people have for dealing with Pope. That is basically "just say something to keep this mad idiot from kicking off and starting a shouting match". I can understand why Askey would tell him it was Carol's decision, but it still is poor on his part as he should stand by his own decisions.
Pope goes on for three hours, saying a lot of things that make himself look bad. Why would he lie about this one incident to make Askey look slightly worse? If he's lying why not make up something that makes Askey look awful or himself really great?
I don’t know why Pope was so shocked to lose the captaincy either. He wasn’t playing enough and he’d disgraced the club on Twitter. His position was untenable imo. Legge was a far better option to be leader of the club.
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Finally got the chance to listen to it. Entertaining listen, was nice listening to him talk about his career. Onto more recent matters, he says he’s not bitter but that’s exactly how it seems to me.
He hates Clarke because Clarke didn’t play him above Robinson after saying he’d give him some game time, but who can blame Clarke after our winning run (and Pope’s poor goal scoring record the last couple of seasons). Then saying he was refusing to come on as a sub until Pugh made him, talk about throwing your toys out the pram.
I struggled not to laugh when he complained about Flitcroft not asking him his opinions on players. That’s the sort of old boys club mentality I’m glad we’ve moved away from.
Also, going back to the Askey days, he seems incredibly unprofessional. Slating Bennett complaining how he got benched for him, what a great teammate. And to be honest, although I agree Pope was a better player than Bennett, we played far better as a team in the 433 with Bennett than we did Pope so I was also in favour of Bennett starting. If what he said about Askey is true then that is poor on Askey’s part, but it doesn’t excuse his behaviour initially from being dropped.
It basically all seems to me as though he couldn’t deal with being left out and not being the main man anymore, which is summarised by his sudden dislike of Flitcroft just due to him not asking his opinion on things.
I’ll be forever grateful for what Pope did for Vale and look back fondly on it. But I have lost all respect for the man, especially after his twitter escapades. I fear that this could have undermined the club, as many fans think Pope can do no wrong and may now turn quicker against Clarke than they otherwise would.
P.S. Who refers to themselves in the third person??
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1 hour ago, Dr Delgado said:
I really do think that the Ale and the Vale podcast crew need to take a hard look at what they have produced here. I doubt whether any Stoke or Crewe fan could have undermined the current regime as much as Tom Pope has done and they have provided the platform for him to do it. Why would Darrell Clarke play an unfit Tom Pope who was out of contract and worth nothing to the club in terms of a sell on, over Theo Robinson who he had probably earmarked as surplus but had a year on his contract? I suggest a few on here should now become Congleton Town fans and follow Tom wherever he goes, even into Scrimmies. I personally have nothing but disdain for his undignified vitriol. Are we Vale fans or what?
I agree with your sentiments regarding Pope, however I wouldn’t blame Stu, Jonny or Bezza. It’s Pope who is at fault.
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If he called Monty unstable then that is truly disgusting. Hopefully I’ll be able to give it a listen by the end of the weekend.
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7 minutes ago, Rampant Zebra said:
I have seen, heard and been told enough by different people to not trust Clarke at all. But what do I know?
Who’s told you that then? There’s also many others who loved him as a manager, Chris Lines as an example.
Clarke could turn out to be rubbish, but he’s an experienced manager who’s won promotions.
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1 hour ago, Iron Curtain said:
I don’t think it will.
Especially given the dramatic swing in Popes opinion, from Flickers being someone he thoroughly recommended be brought to the club, to “scumbag”.
And the reason… because they has the audacity to not ask Tom his opinion on the players.
I think it will vindicate Flitcrofts view that Tom wasn’t someone that would be helpful in the new era… someone who is clinging to the past… someone who wouldn’t embrace the change from “5 pints down the pub and try dead hard” to professionalising the club… someone who has been the king of Burslem and wouldn’t give up his influence easily.
Did he actually complain about not being asked his opinion on players? How ridiculous if so.
He’s a player, not a manager, nor coach, nor anyone involved in recruitment. Why does he think he should be involved in that? I’m glad Flitcroft didn’t because tbh that seems a lot more professional.
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4 hours ago, Jacko51 said:
I haven’t listened to the podcast so I won’t comment on what Tom Pope has said. Does he mention that he had dragged the club’s name through the mud with his stupidity on social media? Did he mention that the club spent a fortune on legal fees supporting him during his last social media issue? Did he mention that he refused to take the advice of those legal people in his response to the case? He reckons he has the right to free speech - well so do the rest of us and I reckon that it is a shame in view of everything he did on the pitch for the club he is now behaving like a spoilt kid off it.
I have also not listened yet so won’t comment until I have, but his twitter escapades were a disgrace.
I was at university at the time of his anti-Semitic tweets, and my tutor group was aware I was a Vale fan as I used to discuss football with a couple. Two of the people in my tutor group were Jewish, and both of them remarked to me about Pope’s comments. One was a Spurs fan from London, and the other didn’t even watch football - neither were from Stoke. But it made national news. So people who wouldn’t know anything about Vale had heard the rubbish he was spouting on twitter, and I was ashamed to hear them mention it.
Love Tom Pope the player, but after that incident, I’ve really not thought much of him as a person to say the least.
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Great podcast as usual. Must say a big thanks to both Phil and Mike for coming on, thought both spoke really well and were very interesting.
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Great podcast as usual, but I must pull you on something Stu ;) . A defensive mid like Joyce is a number 4 and your centre half is a 6, not the other way round!! 😜
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Jesus Jonny’s a harsh bugger! 6 for Robinson?! Had a good game for me, easily a 7
Edit: Rodney too?! Bloody hell 😂
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Couldn’t care less about swearing, do it watching the Vale games myself. Should just put a disclaimer at the start and then if someone can’t handle it they don’t have to listen.
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Just a heads up Stu, it’s coming up on Spotify as ‘Oldham Preview’ but still has the correct description as if it’s after the match. Not that it matters but just thought I’d let you know.
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1 hour ago, rob1983 said:
I thought they might be celebrating a one nil defeat like they were the other day. Idiots.
Get a grip
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10 hours ago, dishydave said:
I wasn't sure about these podcasts at first but I'm really enjoying them now so great work gentlemen.
In reference to Hurst he's not a winger and he isn't league quality yet and next year he'll take up a squad place so for me he's one to let go in the summer and Brisley is still injured so that's why he wasn't in the squad but he's another one who should go aswellI’d keep Hurst personally, think he’s fine as a back up and we could always send him on loan to the national league to get him some more experience so he doesn’t take up a squad space.
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Nice podcast again today. Must say I thought a 6 was generous for Conlon, and I thought was a bit harsh on Hurst saying he created nothing since he put in that great cross that Rodney hit the bar off.
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Although previously vaguely aware of the podcast, I only found this thread the other day and started listening to them. Already listened to the tranmere one and a few of the player interviews, and just thought I’d say what a good job you guys are doing.
Anyone reading this I’d highly recommend giving it a listen, I like having it on in the background whilst sorting tea or doing chores.-
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Yes, that irks me. But at the time he was a far better choice as captain. Since then Conlon has emerged as a leader and so has taken the job. Not quite sure what point you’re making?