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  1. 11 hours ago, Doha said:

    We’ve had 11 significant injuries over the squad this season. 

    How do you think the other clubs in the league would fare if their top forwards all suddenly went missing?

    And top CM in Conlon, playing below standard with an injury and then succumbing to it? 

    Top winger in Worrall playing through a reported chronic back problem? 

    Losing Legge, Wilson, Proctor, Taylor, Hurst, Lloyd and now Gibbo long term? 

    Playing a young CM up front because every forward including Amoo and Rodney were injured? 

    Losing their spark in Politic unexpectedly?

    They’d collapse. 

    If we go up this season he’s a miracle worker after all that not least because while the rest bar Lloyd, Politic and Legge will be back eventually I’d be very surprised to see first names on the team sheet Conlon and Gibbo on the pitch again this season with their reported issues. 

     

    Add in that Garrity has also stopped scoring!

  2. 1 hour ago, Danish Valiant said:

    I don't think a wage cap is a bad idea at all. But you can always discuss where to place the cap. We've decided on 1850, knowing that that would put us out of the running, with a certain ilk of players. So I guess the question is not why we have a wage cap, but why they decided on 1850, and not ie. 2500, which would make us able to attract another level of players?

    Maybe...just maybe...the budget has been sensibly set with the money the club is expected to bring in? 

  3. 2 hours ago, Fosse69 said:

    Why should Rodney be off? He has a contract until 6/2023

    Fairly sure he won't be sold unless a certain figure is met? I don't think DF plays poker unless he has a good hand! If Rodney pulls his socks up - when he's fit again - he will be in the team...if not, we've shown we don't carry passengers in the squad, any more!

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  4. 3 hours ago, Fosse69 said:
    4 hours ago, Joe B said:
    I honestly would prefer promotion over a sustainable squad. All for the latter stuff but we need to escape his hell pronto. No more Stevenage away. 

    One promotion place left assuming Tranmere or Mansfield burn up. So the lottery of the POs left. How much do we need to spend to change that? What were the expectations at the beginning of the season, the lottery or top 3?

    Nobody is certain of automatic promotion this season - not even FGR! We've beaten them, and I think we've beaten around half of the teams above and around us...and we're likely to be coming out of this horrible bad patch, whilst other clubs may have theirs to come?

  5. 4 hours ago, Iron Curtain said:

    I have run teams before and currently at work and have had both a secret and open banding of salaries for every grade in the past. In my experience a few things hold true.

    1. In a secret salary situation, everyone knows everyones salary and bonus. Even more so with the younger generation.... I imagine thats amplified if you have an agent.

    2. When the team has open knowledge of bandings and pay, the amount of agro and moaning fell through the floor. The right characters knew what the pay was and how it was earned. Those I wanted in the team got it... those I didnt because of their attitude were unsurprisingly the ones that were not happy and I moved them on. Of the 3 people that applied to, 2 have asked to come back. I said no immediately.

    3. When recruiting, it was far easier in the open knowledge example. Crazy expectations were managed easily. If someone wanted to be at the higher end of the bad I could point to exact things that were missing from their work, what expectations were and what needed to change for them to get there.

    4. In the open example, Bonuses because vital and how they were measured and earned drove high performance... in the closed example, it was the best negotiators that go what they wanted.

     

    4 hours ago, Iron Curtain said:

    I have run teams before and currently at work and have had both a secret and open banding of salaries for every grade in the past. In my experience a few things hold true.

    1. In a secret salary situation, everyone knows everyones salary and bonus. Even more so with the younger generation.... I imagine thats amplified if you have an agent.

    2. When the team has open knowledge of bandings and pay, the amount of agro and moaning fell through the floor. The right characters knew what the pay was and how it was earned. Those I wanted in the team got it... those I didnt because of their attitude were unsurprisingly the ones that were not happy and I moved them on. Of the 3 people that applied to, 2 have asked to come back. I said no immediately.

    3. When recruiting, it was far easier in the open knowledge example. Crazy expectations were managed easily. If someone wanted to be at the higher end of the bad I could point to exact things that were missing from their work, what expectations were and what needed to change for them to get there.

    4. In the open example, Bonuses because vital and how they were measured and earned drove high performance... in the closed example, it was the best negotiators that go what they wanted.

    Good post IC! Historically, there are several clubs who have been negligent in not having a budget they stuck to, in the chase for success...many of these have had to be bailed out over the last couple of decades, and some of these have been fortunate to be still in business. It would be good for football as a whole if every club has a sustainable budget - and stuck to it?

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  6. 4 hours ago, Iron Curtain said:

    It does matter if you load a larger portion of your salary on one player and he gets injured. Your remaining players are of lesser quality and now the premium element of your budget isnt availabvle.

    Balanced wages structures with bonuses and add on's being used to differentiate is a sensible approach.

    Yes when we all desperately want a known goal scorer it seems a shame.. but long term its the right thing to do.

    I would also hazard a guess that the "I have heard of them therefore they must be good" players will also attract a premium over and above that they deserve.... worsening my first point because they may not actually deserve the extra they command.

     

    We should know, by now, that signing a "name" player is no guarantee that he will be successful here - that's been true for 30 - 40 years, at least! If players are aware of our wage structure it manages their expectations...maybe shuts their agents up, too, and leads to sensible discussion. Hall's interview confirms it was the attitude and direction of the club that persuaded him to sign for us. I suspect this has been true of most of our recent signings. If a sensible wage structure exists, but there is a chance of good bonuses - linked to success on the pitch - that ought to be a good incentive? 

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  7. 4 hours ago, CAVALIER said:

    Are we paying the price for the mixed recruitment last summer? The fact we can't get folks like Loft because of our structure puts out red flags and means we have to be spot on with signings or we will go nowhere.

    There's no red flags for having a sensible wage structure - it keeps the over-rated players' agents away from wasting our time. On the other hand, there are always gems available who fit within our structure - the trick is finding them. I think out recruitment has been pretty good, so far - more successes than failures!

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  8. 5 hours ago, rob1983 said:

    Wait till wrexham and Stockport get promoted we'll have less chance next year. Not sure we should be shelling out for a director of football and a manager at this level. Spending far to much money on staff.

    Spending on the backroom staff doesn't affect the playing budget. Spending on a sensible backroom staff shows that - finally - some thought is being given to the long-term of the club. Also, staff have left since DF started to assemble the backroom staff he...and the owners...believed they needed to become a successful and sustainable football club. The romantic idea that we just need a Rudgie in charge is...sadly...outdated.  

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  9. My first game would have been in 1962. I don't remember the game, nor the others I went to see that season. The first goal I can recall was Roy Chapman running from his own half to score one of his hat-trick goals. We scored 4...which was unusual for us, but we did it, again, a couple of times that season. First game must have been a night match, because my mum took me on the bus, so dad would have been playing darts, which would have been Monday or Tuesday evening? First away game - I think - was the one at Wrexham where Jesse James got sent off for punching one of their players! He was my hero after that!! 

  10. 2 hours ago, MBE said:

    We have no chance given the way DC manages the status of his players. He's the only manager I have ever known who has players with long term injuries but makes it sound like they are in contention to start. He set his stall out early doors with the local press on players to the point where they don't even bother to ask him most of the time.

    There's need to know...and no need to know!

  11. 1 hour ago, soothsayer said:

    He’s been playing in Sunderland’s first team so I doubt they’ll loan him out again unless they have an upgrade planned.

    He's been at Harrogate until this January, and was with them for part of the 2019/20 season when he didn't play for Sunderland at all. Has only played 3 games for Sunderland this season and the word is Harrogate are hopeful of getting him to the end of the season - unless somebody hijacks that?

  12. 7 hours ago, Guitar Ray said:

    Excuses?  Valid reasons?  Choice of words.  We’ve been damned unlucky in my view.  It’s not just losing our 2 good forwards, it’s, at various times, losing ALL our forwards, best attacking wingbacks/wide players, most creative midfielder, and high impact super sub, even Dan Jones was having some effect in an attacking sense, sorry if I missed anyone else out.  The balance is to get someone half decent to join in January, in the knowledge that our injured players will ultimately return and then need to play minutes to gain fitness.  Not an easy task.  Add to this every team in every league will be looking to strengthen in this window so we could easily end up in a bidding war.  At the end of the day finances do play a part.

    I think we’ve recruited well.  Get Wilson up to speed, add a couple more players, as DC suggests, get the injured/ suspended players back, and, most of all, have a bit more luck, and the playoffs should be on.  If we can turn things round quickly the automatic places are still achievable.

    Cup half full.

    Agree with all of this - you could also add that Garrity has stopped scoring!

  13. I'd love to be proved wrong, but I think those of you pushing for a "proven" striker are not thinking of the problems of signing one in this window? Clubs want to keep hold of them; if they're likely to be listed they will usually command a good fee, and will want high wages. I think we'd be very lucky to get a proven striker in in the next few days?

  14. Jack Diamond could be a good shout? Was on loan at Harrogate from Sunderland, who have recently recalled him but now seem ready to let him go on loan again? Didn't play great against us, and got sent off, but he's definitely played better than that. His record for Harrogate is: P23 G6 (P17 G5 in the League). Just turned 22, he's a bit of a Tom Conlon type.

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  15. 10 minutes ago, ValeForever. said:

    I thought it was a bad day results wise for us. Don't care about Salford, they're awful & below us in the table.

    Mansfield won again... with 10 men, FG won again, Tranmere won, Exeter won, Newport won. Sutton & Northampton shared a point.

    In fact, every single team above us picked up points today, most of them 3.

     

    Yes - but there will be games coming up where these teams play each other.  They won't all be able to get 3 points from every game!

  16. 1 hour ago, ValeForever. said:

    Which results have gone our way!? Literally everybody else has won bar Sutton & Northampton who played out a draw.

    Sutton / Northampton / Swinedon all drew and Salford, immediately below us, lost at home to Colchester. As it stands we have 2 games in hand on Newport who are in 5th place, 5 points above us.

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  17. 7 hours ago, Doha said:

    🤣 Sorry, is this not the Lawrence Vigouroux who was reported to have been goading the Paddock when they scored what they thought was an 86th minute winner?

    Shall we have a little look at the behaviour of some other Orient players in that game too?

     

    What a vile bunch of shits!!!

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