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    PVFC Meet delegation of fans regarding current concerns

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    1 hour ago, TEXAS said:

    So are you saying that DF is responsible for Smith making stupid mistakes every week ? The manager not picking the one defender who looks like he wants to defend ( Lopata ) , Loft will suddenly become a striker ? I could go on. 

    I agree he is responsible & they are players he has brought in, the point I am trying to make is they will still be crap if he gets the sack.

     

    What you say is true, but it will still make a lot of people very happy if he is sacked, at a time when we have little to be happy about. So for that alone he should be sacked. 🙂

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    Shrewsbury (H) match thread - 9th March

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    We are 1 - 0 down at home to a side that isn't that great. It's only half time. We are going to come out for the second half and smash them. So keep the faith and it will all come good. Possibly good to ignore the cocktail of drugs I have taken. However keep the faith, 2 - 1 to Vale come the end🤩

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    PVFC Meet delegation of fans regarding current concerns

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    I wrote the following account yesterday but decided to sleep on it before posting.  I feel I must now clarify, given the responses since the release of the official statement.
    OK, so to first explain how this has come about.  I am the co-founder of the Black & Gold Group, but also current sitting Secretary of the Supporters' Club.  The SC, B&G and NLV have all been interwoven for many years, simply because we are all Vale fans with the same ultimate aims.  We all offer differing viewpoints on things but remain active together to provide a widespread view on situations. B&G have remained active, albeit in the background, for many years, mainly as observers and researchers.  With my SC hat on, we have been increasingly frustrated with everything at the club, same as everyone else.  We therefore requested a committee meeting a couple of months or so ago with the inclusion of Matt Hancock, who has offered himself up to the SC as the conduit between us and the club.  The relationship between SC and club has drifted apart as we feel that the club have not wanted to engage with us, and it seems that they have hijacked events that the SC have traditionally held, on behalf of the fans.  We all feel that the club are trying to control everything.  This meeting was intense.  I'm not slow at coming forward with my views, and neither is Paul Dixon, and Matt got absolute pelters.  To his credit, he took it all very well.  Never argued, never complained, never flounced off or made excuses.  He took it all in.
    Following that meeting, Mark Porter, Paul Dixon, and I have remained in constant contact with Matt, intensely pointing out the level of unrest amongst the fanbase.  He could quite easily cease communications with me because I have hardly been complimentary at times, but I have tried to reflect the level of anger, frustration, disappointment, and downright disengagement from the club.  Matt has actively sought to understand all of that.  We then held another meeting with Matt to delve a little deeper into the supporter discontent.  This then led to Matt setting up a meeting with Carol for him relay the mounting concerns to her, with her full attention.  It was then mutually agreed that a meeting should be held between us to face this head on.  During this period, other fans have also been voicing their concerns in their own ways to the club, so we therefore asked them to join in a collaborative effort.
    Matt then gave us a list of dates that Carol would be available, and the meeting was set.  At no point were we given a time limit, a limit on numbers of members that could attend, or any actual pre-requisites at all.  All that was asked towards the date looming was a list of names of those attending.  The meeting was initially going to be between us and just Matt Hancock and Carol.  A couple of us then debated the merits of also requesting the attendance of Paddy.  We decided against it, but then as the meeting approached, we were told that Carol would like him to attend.  We ran it by our groups, and it was agreed that he should attend.
    So, on Monday evening, we held a meeting between 7pm until just gone 10pm.  The burning topic, of course, was David Flitcroft.  My view remains that I cannot see his position anything other than untenable.  A sentiment held by all of us on our side of the table.  Let's not dress that up any other way. The overwhelming evidence of fans in the ground, fans in the pubs, fans on social media, forums such as this and radio phone-ins, is that very few have remaining faith in our Director of Football.  You must understand that, had we sat down and screamed that Flitcroft is a w***** and he needs to f*** off, a 3-hour meeting would not have lasted 3 minutes.  And we would also be doing a dis-service to the other points that needed addressing.
    We went into the meeting well researched, with a formal agenda from which to raise our points.  After lots and lots of debate around the obvious, we then discussed the other topics; those being the communications coming out of the club, the problems with ticketing, the matchday supporter facilities and overall 'experience' and the potential for better fan engagement with the club going forward.  The club seemed surprised at some of the issues raised.  They did admit failings in communication, they also saw a different viewpoint on the other topics that they had not considered.  Above all else, they appeared genuinely shocked and saddened at what we were telling them, in terms of the overall disconnect between fans and club.
    Now, we all know that admitting failure, and expressing shock and sadness at things is all well and good, but they need to let their actions do the talking.  We hope that they now understand that loud and clear.  It's over to them to deliver results.
    So please let me make it abundantly clear.  We recognise that fans are not happy.  This season, we have seen fans fighting amongst themselves in the stands.  We have seen much anger directed at Flitcroft, at our players for abject performances.  We have seen growing complaints against the disparity of ground improvements.  We have an utterly unworkable relationship between the Supporters' Club and the club.  We have seen an alarming lack of respect shown to us fans by the club, not least by way of Carol's letter, David Flitcroft's Podcast, and the ignorance displayed towards our concerns at the last fans' forum.
    We are taking those issues to the club because they all need to be fixed.  Do not think for one moment that we are easily pacified.  But we must be logical.  We cannot just rock up with a list of demands.  There will have to be compromise and understanding from both sides.  The first step in that healing process is to meet and hit the problems head on.  Monday's meeting was exactly that.  We don't have any answers, or results to report back on, from one solitary, intense meeting.  But it is the start of some much needed honest and frank dialogue.  How this pans out is yet to be decided. 
    We've been in much worse states.  We have battled to remove two rogue owners in the last 13 or so years.  These owners are not rogue.  But it's fair to say they have misaligned their focus.  Please support us in regaining that.  And please understand our respect for the Shanahan family, despite all our current differences.
    We've hopefully now opened doors and we look forward to the club holding much more open dialogue with the wider fanbase.
    Thank you for the update, which has explained a lot of what the meeting was about, how it came about, who was there and why they came to be there and a summary of what was said to the club.
    The only criticism I have, is that it would have been better if this statement had come out earlier. It would have saved a lot of unnecessary speculation and angst.
    But again thanks for setting up the meeting. At least the club have now got an idea of the feelings of the fans.

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    Darren Moore

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    10 minutes ago, Terriertalk said:

    I am just trying to give you insight in to what your Club has done. 

    It’s not going well is it?, playing bottom off the table sides, no new Manager bounce and no wins. 

    It will not get any better, hopefully though you won’t allow it to get to 23 turgid games like we did. 

    You are just giving your honest opinion based on personal experience. Why some people are getting all anti over it I don't understand. The only thing that bothers me by what you are saying, is that it may well be true.

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    David Flitcroft Out

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    That’s fine. But all the other teams at the bottom have managed to recruit strikers, and others.
    Very true, which again proves that Flitcroft is not very good at his job

    I was just trying to explain why these types of players are not as abundant as they once were. I was not trying to give Flitcroft an excuse. Because I don't think he has one. He thought he could bring in another Arblaster or Devine. Well he couldn't and it has left us high and dry.

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    David Flitcroft Out

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    What has happened to professional football? When I first started to watch Vale in the early 70’s there was the same number of clubs in the professional leagues, thus meaning the same number of centre forwards existed then as they do now. During these times we have always been able to pick up journeymen strikers who would stay with us for about a year or two and move on to ply their trade at another club before they hung up their boots. The likes of (in no particular order) Ally Brown, Ron Futcher, Jimmy Greenhough, Bernie Slaven, Brett Angel, Bernie Wright, Ron Futcher, Ernie Moss, Lee Hughes and I’m sure the list could be longer. Maybe these type of players have been locked away in a secure cupboard with all the white crumbly dog turds never to be seen in Burslem again.
    I just cannot see this type of player putting on a Vale shirt whilst Flitcroft has his grip on power, his position really threatens a fan’s relationship with the club. All the decent prospects we have will be sold on before they can become our heroes thus diluting the player-fan bond. I really do not want us to be a Crewe type of club, a stepping stone for players on their way to bigger and better things. There might be some money and sustainability in this model but zero identity or connection with the fans.
     
     
    I think a large part of this problem is that clubs in the premiership and championship now have much larger squads. Where they will employ footballers just to be bench warmers. Or just be part of an enhanced squad. It works for the players as they can earn far more as a rarely used squad player in the higher leagues than drop down to leagues 1 & 2 for first team football. Can't blame them. Would you tell your missus that you are going to up root all the family so you can earn less than a quarter of what you were.
    It is the way football has been allowed by the authorities to develop.

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    David Flitcroft Out

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    I can only judge people as I find so I'll be honest, I don't understand where all this hatred for the bloke comes from off fans. OK some of the transfer activity as been crap with regards to Stikers ect, but he can only spend what Carol gives him. H The prob I think for him, is some fans will always be up Pope's backside and so once Pope did that interview slatting Flitcroft he's always been onto a loser.
    I haver never heard Pope's interview or have any knowledge of the content. However the reasons I wish he would leave the club are as Follows. Out of interest is there anywhere I can get to listen to it.

    1. He came to interview for a managers job, yet managed to sweet talk himself into a job that didn't exist at the time. Very nice salesman, yet I feel he conned Carol into creating an unnecessary post.

    2. He previously managed Bury and was at the helm when he spent out on wages and transfers that he must have known they must have been financially unsustainable for the club. Still he got a promotion on his CV and Bury went bust.

    3. It appears he has now decided on what the permanent style of play this club shall play. Even though it has failed badly for the last 2 years.

    4. He has been in charge of recruitment for the past 2 seasons and it has been a complete disaster. Our team ended up being propped up by 2 on loan teenagers this season. In the last transfer window all the other teams managed to sign permanent transfers to improve their squads except us. It seems we didn't even have any targets. And to be scrambling about in the final hour was amateurish to say the least.

    5. Take a good look at our current squad. Our bench is largely made up of not ready teenagers. The squad is so thin it is laughable.

    All this is down to David Flitcroft. He has failed miserably in his role. He has to go. I just hope our new manager is able to go his own way with formations, style of play, players etc.

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    David Flitcroft Out

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    On 08/02/2024 at 19:57, Guitar Ray said:

    Better footballers want decent training facilities, be a good chap and pass it on to the other dim wits.

    Better footballers want better wages. They will put up with moderate training facilities

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    January Transfers and Rumours

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    Colin was BD so he had to go.
    BD - Before Dave (Flitcroft)
    Scary thing is, is that the more I think about that. The more probable it seems to be.

    Also the guy had stuck with the job and guided us all through the Smurthwaite years. With very little thanks or appreciation.

    It was probably one of the biggest mistakes the club had made in recent years. As now plainly evidenced.

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    January Transfers and Rumours

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    As my Povey order came the other day.  It's oatcakes, bacon and cheese tomorrow and sunday.  Something to look forward to and on sunday to pick myself up from the loss or celebrate the win.  Either way will be good as its oatcakes being troughed.
    Today is egg banjo day. as I don't do fish friday.  Those in the know - know egg banjo and fish friday.  
    If you stick a couple of black pudding slices in that egg banjo sandwich, you will eat the greatest sandwich ever. Try it gorgeous

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    January Transfers and Rumours

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    14 minutes ago, Brian Johnson said:

    Mullin is on £8k per week at Wrexham. Well he was, that may have increased with his contract extension yesterday.

    Mullin is a top top striker on that much each week.

    What kind of striker could we have got with a combination of Uche & Lofts wages? 

     

    One that scores goals or even a goal would be an imporovement

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    Barnsley (H) match thread - Boxing Day

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    It's rubbish to say playing wingback took 2 years off Worrall's career, he's 34 at the end of this season. How many attacking players are still playing at that age? We offered him 12 months,  Barrow gave him 2 years. So he'll be 35 when he ends that contract.  Whether he's played wingback, winger or centrehalf it's unlikely he'd be playing league football beyond 35. 
    Okay, point taken. However, I still maintain he would have been in a lot better shape and more likely to be offered a two year deal. Had he been played as a winger. Instead of having to constantly charge from one end of the pitch to the other in the wing back role. Because he always gave 100%. I felt he looked as if his legs had gone a bit towards the end of last season.

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    Barnsley (H) match thread - Boxing Day

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    4 hours ago, Biddulph_PV said:

    Can somebody with far more tactical nous than me explain why 3-5-2 is the modus operandi?? 

    It’s a system that needs specialist wing-backs i.e. people that have the energy to get up & down the field and be inventive in attack and defensively solid. It strikes me that such players are rare as hen’s teeth, or am I wrong? Are they in fact more plentiful that traditional full-backs / wingers??

    You could make the same argument about Centre Backs, as the system needs the wide CB’s to not only be tall to be able to be able to defend balls into the box, but also be good footballers to link up and join the play and have pace to cover the wide areas when the WB’s are caught out of position. Again, are these types of CB’s plentiful?? 

    This is spot on. The only players we have had over the last three seasons who can play wing back properly have been

    1. Benning - who was not good enough for league 1

    2. Gibson - who we sold and was prone to injury

    2, Clarke - who would be very good, but currently injured

    3. Worrall - whose efforts to play the role, probably took 2 years off his playing career

    Yet why we continue to persevere with this system is beyond me. It didn't work last season and it isn't working this season.

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