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    Summer transfer rumours and speculation

    in Port Vale present

    Posted

    8 minutes ago, Bimbleabout said:

    I like the fact he signed a long contract. It's almost like Bayleee and his family are saying thankyou to Vale for looking after him, training him and bringing him on to the talent and prospect he is today.
    Kind of like they are paying us back and saying thankyou for when he does move on and the club can benefit (hopefully) massively from it. Very respectful for all parties involved.

    When he signed that contract he was still way off where he is today.

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    Summer transfer rumours and speculation

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    54 minutes ago, Doha said:

    600k in 2008. The equivalent to 945k now.

    As none of the top 10 league 2 transfer fees have happened in the last 6 years and most happened more than 10 years ago I'm not sure there had been much inflation in the league 1 transfer market. That perhaps partly reflects the bigger clubs taking better players from academies at a younger age. Not all goods and services increase in price even if the CPI is increasing.  I've not been to the UK for 18 months but a like for like TV for the last one I bought 15 years ago is about 150 less on Curry's website. If inflation was running at 10% for league 2 footballers you'd expect the top 10 to be recent deals. If anything the data seems to indicate that the value of league 2 players is suffering from deflation. 

    Summer transfer rumours and speculation

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    Posted

    3 hours ago, Doha said:

    I am not comparing the below players to Ben Garrity.

    I am not pretending the fees quoted are up front cash - many are made up of % add ons. Conversely, many are 'undervalued' as they are quite old transfers that haven't been adjusted for inflation to show the current real terms cost.

    What am I doing it sharing some examples of previous L2 transfer fees.

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    And as we've just left L1, here are some past transfer fees for L1 midfielders of Garrity's rough age group.

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    Football isn't a rational business. A players actual value and his current market value can be massively divergent, and widely fluctuate at different times of the year as the windows come and go and as clubs pick up injuries or miss out on other targets and now need option B.

     

    What is that supposed to mean?

    Quite a few of the league 1 players are from clubs which dropped out of The Championship in the previous season, who moved in the summer. 

    The League 2 it's similar, someone like Ched Evans never played in the league. He moved back to Sheffield after a season in League 1 for Chesterfield.  The only other player in the top 50 Ben's age or older is Matt Tubbs. Not a transfer that worked out that well for the buying club. 

    Jamie Vardy is an odd ball in there. He got signed before Fleetwood ever played league 2 football I think. I'm sure he signed for Leicester as soon as The Conference season finished. 

    Summer transfer rumours and speculation

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    Posted

    14 minutes ago, bomber said:

    I really do hate us trying to talk the best players out of our club! Keep the best! If we get a silly mega offer then let's have the replacement in before they go! 

    There's only 3 or 4 clubs in the country who aren't selling clubs. I think only 2 of the 92 clubs make a profit without transfers. The fact is every player has a value. If the value we place on Garrity is met he will move. Whether someone meets that valuation is a different issue.

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    Summer transfer rumours and speculation

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    Posted

    Ben Garrity is only really worth a decent fee to a team that's going to get him into the box. So either 3 in central midfield where he has licence to play as an inside forward, or as one of 2 behind a centreforward.  He's not really creative enough to play as a lone 10. He's not that valuable if he signs to play in a midfield 2 as it limits his forward runs. That in itself limits his value. His value is the highest offer we get for him, or a little more if we turn an offer down. The maximum someone would bid is around 500k, in my opinion. 

    Every time I've seen Garrity play as a forward he's done quite well. I'm still a little surprised Moore didn't use him as a forward at the back end of last season when we needed wins. Probably shows what Moore thinks of Sang and Lowe as central midfield options. I think he's capable of scoring 15 goals a season as a forward. He is a very good finisher, when he has an opportunity it's rare he doesn't at least force a save. If you manage to direct most chances between the posts you generally score quite a few.

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    Summer transfer rumours and speculation

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    11 hours ago, Brian Johnson said:

    Do you seriously think that Ben Garrity could get into a side like Ipswich Town?

    No chance. Probably the best overall midfield player post Dave Brammer. Sam Morsy clearly had more potential but wasn't quite the finished article. Just purely as holding midfield players Grant, O'Connor and Morsy were better. His limit is probably lower end of The Championship.  Excellent work rate, good finisher. What limits him is his distribution; although that has improved. 

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    Summer transfer rumours and speculation

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    1 hour ago, werstayinup said:

    He will be out of our league wage wise at a guess but he would certainly smash up league two imo

    Livermore is 35 this year. That Watford deal was almost certainly his last lottery win sized pay day. He really has 3 options:

    1 retire gracefully and enjoy his millions

    2 try and get a gig as a squad player in the Championship with a hefty wage reduction and less playing time - though still a lot more than minimum wage

    3 if he still gets a buzz from playing regularly drop down to league 1 (probably) or 2 with a large pay cut but the promise of regular football  ... like David McGoldrick. 

    If Derby hadn't got promoted I'd have put money on him going there. They would have met option 2 pay wise and given him the regular football of 3; while still living close to Birmingham.  The probability is he doesn't know himself and by the time he decides he may have drifted into retirement by default. 

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    Summer transfer rumours and speculation

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    33 minutes ago, Osh said:

    BUT, deals can be done on something like that...??  £3-400k now, another £200 if he makes "X" appearances or scores "Y" goals - plus a sell-on clause if we sold him to a club in the Championship/Prem...??

    Nobody in league 2 is going to pay 650k for a 27 year old with one league goal. Either the fee is a lot less, or York aren't selling. He was only joint 15th highest scorer in the national league last season. It's also pure speculation that he cost 300k, the only thing York said was that they expected the deal to exceed their record transfer fee; 140k. 

    Bottom line this window there are some good top end League one strikers available who would want 5 - 6k a week. That's less than 650k if spread over a 2 year contract. Someone like Stephen Humphrys is the same age, has a record of scoring goals and would cost less then 650k over a 2 year contract.

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    Summer transfer rumours and speculation

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    52 minutes ago, Vtid said:

    Just out of curiosity who would you go for & what would you spend? 26 is a good age

    He's 27 in a fortnight.  The issue is would he generate a profit. The only way that would happen is to absolutely tear the league apart next season and for a mid to lower championship club to offer a million for a 28 year old; without a single career goal above league 2. Otherwise a 650k fee is dumb. It equates over 4k a week over a 3 year contract. We'd probably have to pay him 3k a week in wages, so total outlay of 7k a week. There are quite a few out of contract forwards you be reasonably confident would score 15 goals in league 2 for that sort of money.

    We offered in the region of 250k for 22 year old Jake Young. I could imagine Carol sanctioning a deal in that region for someone.  What York paid isn't known, other than their chairman said it was a club record fee. I suspect they paid closer to 140k (the old record), than 300k. 

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    England U17 Euros

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    It's been a strange rise. I must be honest in the first 4 trophy games the only impressive thing about him was he ran around a lot. He was miles behind someone like Walters, Shorrock, Ben Lomax (thought he had a great game at Wrexham) and Buah who looked at lot more composed on the ball. The games he played over Christmas he suddenly started to look a decent prospect.  Then kicked on in January despite the rest of the team not doing much. Very different to Mark Chamberlain who looked special but erratic when he first got on the pitch as a substitute. 

    We'll get offers and I suspect he'll take one. There is a chance he'll stay for 12 months, mainly because he may feel he'll develop quicker playing men's football.  As some age group players never push through he's probably played more games and scored more goals in league football than a couple of members of the squad.

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    Summer transfer rumours and speculation

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    Posted · Edited by JRC

    54 minutes ago, Granville said:

    Yes he did under Aspin. Askey released him and he signed for Macclesfield. A fan threw a tenner at him when we lost 2-1 there and they were on the verge of going bust, he stuck it in his shorts and kept it, then went over and kissed the badge in front if the Vale fans.

    He's improved as a player at Salford since then but still part of a team that finished just outside the relegation zone. I think we can do better.

    We never saw the best of Vassell but I quite like him as a player. He was badly played out of position at Vale, quite a few games were at leftback. He was signed of Aspin's plan to play with a back 3 which he then never did. Sol Campbell played him on the right of a back 3. I thought he was outstanding in the game you referred to. He left Macc where he didn't get paid to follow Campbell to Southend. That move got stopped by the FA as they were also in financial trouble.

    Silly to respond to some of the baiting by Vale fans. It was out of order to bait him though, it's pretty widely known he suffered from severe depression and also tried to kill himself at least once. He was quite ill for a period at Vale, which was part of the reason he played so few games.

    As an option at right centreback in a 3 he's probably better than some of our options. I'd happily do an exchange for Lowe. I don't think he really works in a back 4. As we currently have 6 centrehalves I don't really see us bringing in another. Although Salford didn't do well last season I think he played every game the season before when they reached the playoffs.

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    Summer transfer rumours and speculation

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    Posted

    13 minutes ago, The French Connection said:

    Tom Edwards, FB, released by Stoke.  13 apps for Huddersfield this season. Any takers? 

    Started well at Stoke and got worse each season.

    I'd look at a few at Morecambe:

    Ferrend Rawlinson ... I'm not a fan of meat head centrehalves as they often don't work at Vale Park but he meets the definition and is a leader, which a lot of fans want

    Jacob Bedeau ... will be loads of competition as clubs have bid for him in the past. Really cultured centrehalf. Will probably end up in league 1.

    Joel Senior ... rated at Morecambe and held down the rightback position over Donald Love who has always been OK. Young player I haven't seen live but is highly rated.

    David Tutonda ... better than our leftbacks but we haven't had one for 12 months!

    JJ McKiernan ... typical Derek Adams signing from nowhere like Senior. Young midfield player who has scored 7 goals this season. 

    Some will follow their manager to Accrington.  I'd certainly take Bedeau. 

     

    Morecambe in crisis

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    45 minutes ago, Killersrevenge44 said:

    That's like saying a poor man begging on the street will spend more if he is thrown a quid! 

    Come on! 

    As almost all English clubs run at a loss, not really. There is a limited supply of good enough players, exacerbated by leaving the EU and additional restrictions of foreign players. As more money gets poured in that just increases demand further for a limited resource, pushing up cost not profits. Premier League clubs have bigger revenues and losses than league 2 clubs. It's not like the clubs with most money are profitable.

    There is a debt crisis in English football, you only need to look at the liabilities in published accounts.  It can carry on until the next global debt shock; which will happen.  Then when credit becomes harder a number of clubs will go under. Whatever the distribution of TV rights clubs are going to continue spending more than they earn; until they can borrow no more. Almost all new money flowing into clubs will get spent on higher wages, regardless of the distribution.  If Morecambe got an extra million a year they'd have spent it and still ended up bankrupt because every other club in their league would have spent their extra million trying to attract the same players.

     

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