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    Wycombe (A) match thread - 23rd Dec

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    1 minute ago, Bimbleabout said:
    5 minutes ago, johnjeffersfanclub said:
    Why do you hate Crosby so much. Massive part in taking us up, stepped in when he needed to. Seems a decent fella. Has us mid table. Got to a quarter final. It's just wierd.

    He constantly forgets we are Vale. Kind of gets us mixed up with Man City or some such nonsense

    Actually - its Pep that thinks he is Port Vale

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    Wycombe (A) match thread - 23rd Dec

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    2 minutes ago, Vtid said:

    i don't think he has the legs to play that role or position myself 

    Would tend to agree, unless we are going to play some garbled version of a back 4

    Jesse          Smith        Lowe          Yak               ?

    strange with Grant being on the bench

    Wycombe (A) match thread - 23rd Dec

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    Posted

    1 minute ago, Vtid said:

    Smith deserves his chance again for me especially in his favoured position. We ain't blessed with great defenders that's our best back 3 i think right now. I maybe would of gone Lowe on the left instead of Yak 

    I agree on smith - its a shame, but Kofi has had some howlers lately

    Good point but we are short of defensive midfielders, so I fancy Lowe will be Funsos role

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    Wycombe (A) match thread - 23rd Dec

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    1 minute ago, Vtid said:

    Looks like... 

                                  Ripley 

                       Jesse      Smith      Yak

      Massey      Lowe         Devine          Sang  

                          Garrity       Chislet 

                                     Loft

    Cant see anything but a loss today. Crosby persists with playing Sang out of position again, Massey needs to be further up the pitch. Lowe isn't quick enough to play midfield, no sign of Uche in the squad. The only positives are Smith is gonna be central & wilson's in the squad 

      

    I will go: 

                                     Ripley 

                       Jesse      Smith      Yak

          Massey      Lowe      Garrity      Sang 

                                Chislet  Devine

                                     Loft

    Happy Clappers Club

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    Posted

    42 minutes ago, Valiiant said:

     

    Happy clapping to the happy chappy club! If only we got over the line against Stevenage. I'd have been handing in my application form!

    So Close Valiiant, so close - dont worry, you are always welcome 😍😍😍😍

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    Stevenage (H) FAC2R Match thread 12th Dec

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    12 minutes ago, ValeForever. said:

    This idea that people are "voting with their feet" has to stop. I haven't looked, but I bet if you look at our average home gate this season, it won't be far off the average for the past 2 x seasons. Ppl going on like we've lost thousands of fans overnight. We haven't.

    Last night's attendance was <ovf censored> because it was a Tuesday night replay which nobody wanted, ahead of next week's QF v Boro. Simple as that.

    We have several homes games coming up in the next few weeks, including 3 this week alone. People are clearly prioritising certain games in the build up to Christmas based on cost. Last night was right at the bottom of the priority list for myself & I'd guess many others, hence the low attendance. 

    My views on AC. I'm not a massive Crosby fan, but I can also totally understand why the club are not yet looking to make a change. A few points to flip things around a little & see things through the clubs eyes:

    We're 6 points clear of the relegation zone with a game in hand on a couple. That's following an absolute stinking run of results. From a League position perspective, what were people expecting this season? Did ppl genuinely think we'd be pushing for top 6? I expected mid table with ups & downs & so far, that is exactly what we are getting.

    Freak opening day aside can anybody recall a game we've been battered in? We've been in every single game this season, despite not performing particularly well at times (Cheltenham at home stands out as the 1 x abomination) & struggling for goals. We've lost by the odd goal v Bolton & Derby & not looked a million miles off it.

    He's changed the style of football with a brand new squad. They have been together for 4 months & most are on 2 x year deals, including Crosby himself. He's playing in to the clubs ambitions around giving youth a chance if it's good enough. There's an argument to say (& this is all ifs & buts) had we signed somebody who could stick the ball in the net, we'd be comfortably top half & potentially knocking for top 6.

    He's made a bit of money through the performances in the cups, including lining up a League Cup QF next week where we stand a slim, yet realistic chance, of pulling off a result & reaching a 2 x legged semi final in a major cup against a prem giant.

    Hypothetically, if we beat Wigan on Saturday & are sat comfortably in mid table, then pull off a shock result v Boro to reach the semis, are ppl still calling for his head? I'd also ask, if we were having this season & DC was in charge, would people be calling for his head? I'll tell you the answer, not a chance. 

    Last night was a kick in the teeth for the club. There's been a few results this season like that unfortunately. We were 1 x minute away from a potentially lucrative shot in the FA Cup, twice. It stings. I'll add, we went out to Exeter at home last season under DC.

    Several home games coming up & I think the picture will become much clearer by the middle of Jan. This is a poor League this year & the standard compared to last year is nowhere near. Nobody (bar game 1) has blown us away & that's because there's not alot between any of the teams. Games decided by small moments of quality up top & lack or errors at the back (Bolton & Derby games).

    I'm clearly in the minority from a OVF perspective but I think he should be given time. He would get the full season for me, including Jan transfer window. There has to be some continuation at some point, we can't keep ripping things up & starting over. I think lots of ppl are jumping on the sacking bandwagon without considering all of the points, because it's much easier to go with the majority. I genuinely do not think he comes close to taking us down.

    Finally, if somebody had said to you at the start of the season that we'll be mid table come the New Year, ask yourself, would you have accepted it?

    4 of the next 6 league games are at home & we've got struggling Wycombe & Carlisle away from home. We're 4 points off 11th placed Shrewsbury who we have 2 x games in hand over (they have scored 13 league goals all season & have lost more games than us). We're 4 points off 12th placed Northampton who have also lost more games than us. We have 1 x game in hand on them as well. We've drawn 3 x games over 90 minutes with 3rd placed Stevenage, 2 of those away from home.

    Things aren't as grim as ppl would have you believe. I've witnessed much much worse following the Vale. Please show some patience & support. We are trying to build slowly, the club have been crystal clear on the strategy. Back them.

    Valeforever - im sorry, but i really desparately want to disagree vehemenently with everything you have typed above - Id like to say that you are talking the biggest load of crup thats been on here for years!!!!!!!!!!!!

    But unfortunately, I agree with pretty much everything there - well put you beautiful bouncing valiant 😍

    May I add that Stoke have had 6 managers in the last 6 years 🙄😁

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    Stevenage (H) FAC2R Match thread 12th Dec

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    Posted · Edited by Hoppers

    47 minutes ago, smithie said:

    I don't think anyone says you can't - but "crap" is too broad a brush. I really enjoyed the Reading and Bolton games, the Crewe and Mansfield games in the Cup were entertaining for different reasons (one for the penalty drama, one for the performance), we were good value at Burton in the FA Cup and by all accounts we were deserving of more at Portsmouth. I'm sure the fans who saw us win at Charlton, Oxford and Exeter enjoyed the victories.

     

    Yeah great point - I agree, mate we aren't dire in every game, but that stat of being the worse performing team of 2023 keeps raising its head.

    Off the top of my head, I loved Burton away, we were unlucky in many games as well (eg Shrewsbury), but the fact remains for me, since we came up, the proportion of entertaining games compared to "less entertaining" games is skewed one way.

    Anyway here's to a hot blooded rip roaring cup tie tonight  🍻

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    Vote of No Confidence (2)

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    Posted

    6 minutes ago, JoeB2 said:

    The thing is that we'll win today.

    It will be a bit annoying on here, as those who never ever believe in sacking managers will wheel away in jubilation, their worldview now justified by a 1-0 win against a very poor side, and those who want to see Crosby gone at all costs will attempt to shut it down.

    My view is that there are far deeper questions to ask as to why we've been absolutely rubbish throughout 2023. Crosby quite obviously isn't the man for the long-term but could probably limp through the season to a bottom half finish if things improve a bit, which they probably will.

    I think getting obsessed over the ins and out of Andy Crosby's tenure ignores the fact that 2 years of upward progress has nosedived in 2023 and no one at the club has seemed to acknowledge it happening, let alone diagnose why.

    We have been record-breakingly poor, with a 7-0 defeat and a scoreless run half an hour away from breaking the club's 100 year old record, but a good patch in the middle of it in August-September of 1-goal victories built upon deflections and penalties has masked it.

    We have 33 points from 40 games this year, which would average out at 38 points over a 46 game season - easily enough to relegate us every single season in recent League 1 history. Flitcroft asserts that we have a lower mid-table budget, have brilliant links with the big academies, and have spent loads on the T-Zone, the pitch, the stadium, and the recruitment - so why on earth are we returning relegation points?

    That's the debate for when Crosby does go. Is he just incredibly incompetent, or is the club in a deeper bad place which needs more root and branch change? It's just not adding up at present for me.

    Im the original 😁👏 but you make some excellent points here JB 👍

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