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38 minutes ago, werstayinup said:
Not a dig,so you ditch a manager with like it or not a proven track record(not given time at Huddersfield to rebuild,they are still bottom 3 without him) after 16/17 games with NONE of his own players at all? Totally agree with everyone that the football has been very very poor maybe even worse and sadly for him he isn't the Adams type manager at interviews that some demand(it's what happens behind closed doors thats important to me).
We all have differing views on managers that come to Vale BUT one thing i will always do is give them a chance with their OWN squad and see where we go from there. only my opinion of course and again we all differ so i respect your views also
Onwards and Upwards me owd fruits
"A proven track record" 5 wins in the last 39 even with poor squads paints a different picture. Perhaps the "track record" only comes with a sizable budget. I guess only time will tell, or not.
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1 hour ago, Packmoor_vale said:
It’s pretty <ovf censored> obvious she knows she has made mistakes
Some of u seriously need have a look at yourselves keep bangin on and beating her about a letter who really gives a <ovf censored> about it it made absolutely no difference to anything
It isn't just the letter though is it. There are a lot more examples that as owner she has overseen and been responsible for, that have upset supporters in one way or another. I for one, being a long term ST holder have taken a good look at myself and decided along with with a few others I'd imagine will not be renewing. Those actions speak louder than words.
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20 minutes ago, Rockape99 said:
I looked and your talking out of your anal sphincter
Nothing wrong with my sphincter, but suggest you either don't know or havnt looked in the right place then.
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At 1st thought would be good for us. Maybe ( if he stays) proves me wrong, but on what he's done so far I don't think he will be the manager that brings any success. Just read a stat and not checked it out, he is currently 5 wins in last 38 games from Huddersfield to us. That's sh*te at any level.
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2 hours ago, Rockape99 said:
£11.7 million PVFC & £6 million Synsol Holdings for the ground. If you don't believe me take a look on Companies House it's free available information.
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1 hour ago, manc_vale said:
Another poor night in what is a memorable season for all the wrong reasons. Can we just stop it all now and say we are down. What a god awful season this has been.
- Terrible recruitment
- Poor pre-season - and this is despite the club being stable. This is usually an indicator of chaos behind the scenes - but no, this was the result of the 'pruhcess'
- Started with a massive wake up call with an absolute hammering by Barnsley
- Couple of fortunate results early on flattered to deceive
- Got found out
- Lost all talent from the side at Christmas
- No recruitment in January
- Injuries to the only decent outfield players
- No squad depth
- No wing backs
- Poor defence
- No attackers
Hate the team and I hate the strip. Hopefully both are gone by next season. Please DM give me some hope for next season by saying how you cannot wait to get rid of the dead wood.. Lets get some new talentless cast offs and bully boy defenders ready for a season in the lump it league. Hopefully we avoid the double dip that has befallen Forest Green...
And £18 million in debt.
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5 minutes ago, Bald Eagle said:
Phenomenal remember - us naughty riff raff in the cheap seats were told that we were all wrong!
All that money spent to take us back where started, but with a worse squad than the famous ‘deadwood collection’.
still at least we got an MBE and a few accolades so not all bad eh Carol?
Don't forget the scoreboard
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2 hours ago, Valiiant said:
Decent point. But if we manage to stay up by the skin of our teeth, 80% of our squad desperately needs to be replaced.
Only 80%
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11 hours ago, bomber said:
No matter how much positive spin you put on things the last 18 months have been dire! Yes we will get the dedicated 3k crowd but it is going to be very difficult to get much of the extra 3k to renew there season tickets. This season has really set the club back to square one. After January 23 you would have thought lessons would have been learnt! To make the same stupid and predictable mistake again beggars belief?
What makes it an even bitter pill to swallow, after Jan 2023 previous shambolic window, the club stated lesson had been learned. Obviously not.
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2 hours ago, boslemportvale91 said:
It's been an absolutely car crash of a season and relegation is an absolute guarantee at this point. And the office upstairs have failed the club miserably.
However. For the first time in years we've got some decent young players coming through the ranks and it's just refreshing to see the likes of Bailey, Walters and plant playing. No one is claiming he's a world beater but for the love of God give the 17 year a old a break instead of writing him off because he's in a bad team. He's just scored two goals for the national team under 17s. What have you done with your life ?
"Fans" like you are exactly the problem with modern day football. Saying he's leek town level is a joke and disgrace and yet if he was to bang in a hat trick next week you'd be loving him
Shame on you for slating the young man.
Totally agree with what you are saying, but you can not deny he was playing for England with and against other 17 year olds. My issue is with our club gambling this season on thinking that this was the answer to where we find ourselves currently. I really hope that Bailey, Plant and Walter's and any of the other up and coming hopefuls go on to have a successful career. At 17 imo he and the others are not and should not have been the answer for this shambles we are in, and could be as damaging to the youngsters careers short and long term as much psychologically as physically.
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18 hours ago, darren1810 said:
We had chance to go top v Burton and pulled in 5900.
I wouldn't call that fans turning out . I'd call that pee poor in League one.
It has to be a sustained run, if we had gone top and were say still in top three now I would like to think the fan base would have increased by a few. Then the alarm clock went off and back to reality or should I say flickarity. If only hey.
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11 minutes ago, Birches Head Fred said:15 minutes ago, Port Vale Paul said:Lets see if you say that come the end of December.
Does the season end on December 31st ?
silly question, but i know we wont be mid table either.
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2 hours ago, johnjeffersfanclub said:
Just going to leave this here as a reminder for many to get a grip.
Lets see if you say that come the end of December.
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26 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:
Was not Massey injured?
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A tight calf so AC said post match, and so was Oli and Alfie both at the same time hence them both being subbed at the same time. All 3 looked fine before the subs, but hey ho got to trust the science. Smells a little bit bs,y to me.
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Going to be a tuff game this based on both teams current form, our players confidence post Tues night, they will be nervous of crowd reaction if we concede early on. Can not see this ending well, let's hope I'm wrong.
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2 hours ago, smithie said:
If you're saying we've got no chance of getting anything from Wigan or Wycombe we might as well give up.
Thankfully football throws up surprises and changes in fortune - l doubt many were predicting we'd score three times on Tuesday.
But the question was; If we win one/both of the league of games and beat Boro, would you still want AC gone given where that would put us in the league and Cup?
Wycombe will be targeting the game against us a must win and will go all out to win. The only win we have registered in the last 13 was Exeter which was an ugly win but still 3 points to build on. So onto Tues night I was very optimistic and still had 1 foot in the AC camp up until halftime when Massey was subbed arguably in his best game of the season, my mom at that point, he then goes and takes Oli and Alfie off and changes the whole team set up. AC lost me at that point. I and I've been alot of games this season can not see where the next win is going to come from certainly not out of the crop coming up. Hope I'm wrong but unfortunately can not see it under AC's regime.
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16 hours ago, smithie said:
If you've seen the fixtures of the teams beneath us there's virtually zero likelihood of us being in the bottom four before Christmas. Technically possible, yes but extremely unlikely.
Equally long-shot (but possible) is we win one or both of the League games and beat Boro. Then we're looking at mid-table and two historic semi-final matches to look forward to. So the question is - would you change your mind then? Or would you want out a manager in mid-table and 2 games from Wembley in his first half-season as manager?
I say no more
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4 hours ago, ValeForever. said:
For me @CambridgeDon you can't look at our form over the full 12 month period & pin that on Crosby's record. He wasn't in charge & it wasn't his squad of players.
Again just offering an alternative view, but look at his record for the games he can be fully accountable for.
This season including all League & Cup games:
Total games played = 31.
This is a ridiculous amount of games for us to have played by the second week of December. Our relative success in the cups has definitely had an impact on our squad, not only in terms of injuries but also recovery time & the amount of time they've been able to actually work on things on the grass. Cup runs are great, but they do have a knock on effect especially at our level. You've got to have a big squad to cope & we simply don't have that as a league 1 side. I'd say it's a pretty fair assumption to conclude that had we gone out at the 1st chance in all cups, we'd more than likely have a few more league points in the bag.
Wins = 11
Draws = 9 (Won 2 & lost 1 on pens)
Loses = 11
We've also had two very winnable home games cancelled due to internationals. Fleetwood who were dead on their feet at the time, & Orient.
Hear me out now. If you convert that form over Crosby's time in full charge, it leaves you with 62 points across a full 46 game season. Now some of you will correctly point out that 3 of those games have been against L2 opposition & you'd be right. Free scoring Crewe who are in the top 4 of L2, Mansfield away from home who were unbeaten in 20 games across a 4 month period, & then bottom of the league Sutton, who we beat. It also includes Newcastle under 21s as well (which I've counted as a draw on the stats)
We've only been beaten by more than a 1 x goal margin on 4 x occasions in 31 games. Barnsley opening day. Bristol Rovers away when we played an hour + with 10 men. Unbeaten Pompey away, where we feasibly could've & should have been out of site at half time. Bolton away in the trophy game last week.
I stick to my guns that this season is far from as bad as ppl would have you believe. If you'd have told me we'd be looking at mid table in the league & a QF in one of the 2 x major cup comps, I'd have snapped your hand off & so would most sensible Vale fans.
Could & should we be higher up the league? Yes absolutely, I think we're probably about 6 points shy of where we could & should be. Are we lacking up top? Yes we are, Crosby will know this, he isn't thick. He will be doing everything within his power to rectify that. Please give the bloke a break. I think he's the right guy at this current time & deserves more credit & time with the squad he has put together.I don't know why you are defending the un defendable, when you say you would have taken mid table and a qf in league cup. Will you change your mind at 5pm on the 23rd Dec when we could be out of the cup, and pending other results be in the bottom 4 on current form.1 in 13.
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1 hour ago, ValeForever. said:
This idea that people are "voting with their feet" has to stop. I haven't looked, but I bet if you look at our average home gate this season, it won't be far off the average for the past 2 x seasons. Ppl going on like we've lost thousands of fans overnight. We haven't.
Last night's attendance was <ovf censored> because it was a Tuesday night replay which nobody wanted, ahead of next week's QF v Boro. Simple as that.
We have several homes games coming up in the next few weeks, including 3 this week alone. People are clearly prioritising certain games in the build up to Christmas based on cost. Last night was right at the bottom of the priority list for myself & I'd guess many others, hence the low attendance.
My views on AC. I'm not a massive Crosby fan, but I can also totally understand why the club are not yet looking to make a change. A few points to flip things around a little & see things through the clubs eyes:
We're 6 points clear of the relegation zone with a game in hand on a couple. That's following an absolute stinking run of results. From a League position perspective, what were people expecting this season? Did ppl genuinely think we'd be pushing for top 6? I expected mid table with ups & downs & so far, that is exactly what we are getting.
Freak opening day aside can anybody recall a game we've been battered in? We've been in every single game this season, despite not performing particularly well at times (Cheltenham at home stands out as the 1 x abomination) & struggling for goals. We've lost by the odd goal v Bolton & Derby & not looked a million miles off it.
He's changed the style of football with a brand new squad. They have been together for 4 months & most are on 2 x year deals, including Crosby himself. He's playing in to the clubs ambitions around giving youth a chance if it's good enough. There's an argument to say (& this is all ifs & buts) had we signed somebody who could stick the ball in the net, we'd be comfortably top half & potentially knocking for top 6.
He's made a bit of money through the performances in the cups, including lining up a League Cup QF next week where we stand a slim, yet realistic chance, of pulling off a result & reaching a 2 x legged semi final in a major cup against a prem giant.
Hypothetically, if we beat Wigan on Saturday & are sat comfortably in mid table, then pull off a shock result v Boro to reach the semis, are ppl still calling for his head? I'd also ask, if we were having this season & DC was in charge, would people be calling for his head? I'll tell you the answer, not a chance.
Last night was a kick in the teeth for the club. There's been a few results this season like that unfortunately. We were 1 x minute away from a potentially lucrative shot in the FA Cup, twice. It stings. I'll add, we went out to Exeter at home last season under DC.
Several home games coming up & I think the picture will become much clearer by the middle of Jan. This is a poor League this year & the standard compared to last year is nowhere near. Nobody (bar game 1) has blown us away & that's because there's not alot between any of the teams. Games decided by small moments of quality up top & lack or errors at the back (Bolton & Derby games).
I'm clearly in the minority from a OVF perspective but I think he should be given time. He would get the full season for me, including Jan transfer window. There has to be some continuation at some point, we can't keep ripping things up & starting over. I think lots of ppl are jumping on the sacking bandwagon without considering all of the points, because it's much easier to go with the majority. I genuinely do not think he comes close to taking us down.
Finally, if somebody had said to you at the start of the season that we'll be mid table come the New Year, ask yourself, would you have accepted it?
4 of the next 6 league games are at home & we've got struggling Wycombe & Carlisle away from home. We're 4 points off 11th placed Shrewsbury who we have 2 x games in hand over (they have scored 13 league goals all season & have lost more games than us). We're 4 points off 12th placed Northampton who have also lost more games than us. We have 1 x game in hand on them as well. We've drawn 3 x games over 90 minutes with 3rd placed Stevenage, 2 of those away from home.
Things aren't as grim as ppl would have you believe. I've witnessed much much worse following the Vale. Please show some patience & support. We are trying to build slowly, the club have been crystal clear on the strategy. Back them.
you clearly didn't go last night and witness what went on on the pitch, which may i remind you cost the club £thousands.
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3 hours ago, Class personified said:
We have to differentiate the club, the community aspect from the playing side. Carol saved our club. We wouldn’t have one if she had not dipped her hand into her pocket. She won’t get that money back. It is important that the club is still here for future generations whatever division we are in. The club is an integral part of the community and it is terrific and right that Vale are so active within it. It is the heart of Burslem. Take the club away and the soul of Burslem has been removed. Those two aspects trump everything else. However we do have to try to readdress the football side. Massive mistakes have been made here and they need to be rectified. DF is simply all mouth and trousers with no substance to him at all. Talks the talk but does not walk the walk. AC is a decent man but is way out of his depth. Barmy decisions have cost this club hundreds of thousands of pounds. I suspect we have to wait until after we have lost to Borough before Carol pulls the trigger. We need a new manager in before the January window otherwise the footballing side of this great club will take us into the abyss.
wish people would say its out of her pocket. the debt (money) is levied against her other business. Don't get me wrong as nothing wrong with that and its her club n all that until a time arises when it has to be settled or written off.
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He (AC) cost the club +£60k last night and a shot at potentially +£100k in the next round. His substitutions and tactics from being 2 nil up and reasonably comfortable shambolic. If that isn't enough of a reason to get rid nothing is. He needs to go and go now. What I witnessed last night was nothing short of managerial suicide. Massey was playing one of his best games in ages, subs him, he takes the 2 players off that dictated / bossed the midfield and we went totally defensive. All down to him and him alone.
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If we are not attracting / in the reckoning for half decent strikers, what chance have we got of attracting the likes of Duff or Mowbray... some fans need wake up and get in the real world.
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The pivotal turning point will be in the next 5 games, 3 cup games and 2 league games. On current performance (or lack of should I say) I can not not see it ending in any other way, it will be zero points in the 2 league games and no further in any cup competition. I would hope the inevitable happens post the Exeter game but with then the Boro match so close I predict the axe will fall post Boro game. I hope I'm wrong and we win all five or even just the 2 league games, but deep down I like most know we haven't got a win in us.
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1 hour ago, Emile said:
I sincerely, sincerely hope I am proved wrong here. I said the same thing after Clarke was sacked and I said the same thing in May when Crosby was appointed the manager. I want the Vale to succeed, and I think the owners of this club deserve the success after everything they have done for it. I sing my daughter the wonder of you every night before bed.
This last 12 months has been the worst for me as a Vale fan that I can remember. There have been darker time, with three appalling ownerships that almost cost the club it's existence, but I still felt proud to be a Port Vale fan. There was a feeling that it was backs against the wall and we wanted to survive, even if that resulted in the era's of Michael Brown, Aspin etc. I didn't even think we were as bad as others made out under Bruno - I still believed there was enough in that side to stay up until we sold our best players in that January and the writing was on the wall.For me, the way the club handled Clarke's dismissal was and still is, unforgivable. Thrown under the bus without as much of a thankyou. Suggesting the club went through the loss of his daughter together, unfathomable. Crosby coming in and pretending Clarke didn't exist for me showed an absolute lack of respect. We then bodged our way through the end of the season, bodged our way through hiring a new manager and then limped through a preseason schedule of playing the local primary school in a friendly match in Spain. The writing was on the wall - we don't have anyone who actually knows how to manage the football team and until we resolve this issue we are heading for relegation. Hire a new experience manager, hire some good coaches and give them an input on the players we need to buy / sell in January - this will be enough to keep us up.
Like I said before, I would be really happy to be proved wrong here, but from the outside, it seems pretty obvious what is going wrong and how it was going to go wrong the moment we decided not to even bother looking for a replacement for the manager.
Applying for the vacant Portsmouth job at the time, doesn't constitute as been thrown under a bus.
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