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31 minutes ago, MBE said:
I've no idea what the deal is with 1876 membership but if its how you described then I agree with your point which needs to be addressed directly with the club to to review and not jus highlighted on the forum hence my question.
Yes, done that. Just posted on here to rant.
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Imagine if it was only applicable for league games. The only league game we've "sold out" the home end that I can remember in my lifetime was Newport. Would be up there as the most pointless incentive ever.
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Having said all of the above, I'm genuinely of the opinion that it's an oversight that will be corrected before tickets go on sale. Not great being forgotten about, but mistakes happen. If on the other hand this is intentional and the club don't rectify it, I'll take it further, no doubt about it.
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The benefits are listed as follows;
- £4 saving on matchday ticket prices in all home general admission areas of Vale Park. Discounts only eligible for tickets purchased prior to matchday. Any tickets bought on the day of a game will not be eligible for 1876 Membership discount.
- Priority access to all in-demand home and away tickets before they are released on general sale, following the access period to Season Ticket holders.
- 5% discount in our club shop. This excludes local range and sale items.
- More benefits to come.
I've highlighted "all".
The caveat reads as follows
"*Please Note: Discounted ticket prices are only available for home EFL league fixtures and the 1876 Membership is the only way to get early purchase discount on match tickets. All cup competitions are excluded."
If the last sentence was in reference to priority access, in order to be clear, it would have to have it's own note, separate to the one referring to the price drop. Besides, it would be easy enough to simply remove "all" and replace with "all league games".
It's certainly not how the club originally intended it. How many league games are at risk of selling out? They clearly meant cup games. No doubt about it.
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12 minutes ago, Rampant Zebra said:
The club hasn't made a mistake, the last line of the launch article on the official website says that cup competitions are excluded.
You've misunderstood
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12 hours ago, Family Stand Terrier said:
Reading that caveat on the 1876 advert, I think the club are going to try to say that also refers to the priority access benefit between ST holders and general sale. Might be wrong, but that's my prediction. It's quite clearly only referring to the £4 off, as you rightly say, but just a hunch.
It's a huge error by the club. If members end up being lumped in with general sale and we get a repeat (or worse given the release schedule implies ST holders can buy multiple "additional tickets for friends and family") of the Man City situation, then we could see members not being able to get tickets for this game. Whilst non ST holders / non members get priority over us. It's an absolute farce that needs resolving straight away.
People may think this is a non issue, but if the capacity is massively reduced to 8 or 9k for home fans as it currently is, then it becomes a very real issue if 5k ST holders plus their friends and family get first dibs. Even if that doesn't come to fruition, it's wrong purely on principle. I've paid for a product that affords me certain benefits that I'm potentially now being denied.
15 minutes ago, Rampant Zebra said:
1876 Membership Launched | News | Port Vale
WWW.PORT-VALE.CO.UKI think the last line of this article, written in July 2022, would make a legal challenge difficult.
As you can see from my earlier post, quoted above. I've predicted the club will take that stance. If they do, it's misleading, because the whole point of that section is quite clearly in relation to the price reduction only, not priority access for high demand games.
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12 minutes ago, MBE said:
Have you emailed the club about the allocation of tickets?
If it’s definitive a ST holder can purchase umpteen tickets before 1876 holders then it needs to be highlighted to Matt Hancock.
Yes I have but that's not the main issue here, for me at least, it's the fact members don't get priority after ST holders. Tickets are released to ST holders, then straight to general sale.
I don't agree with the club allowing ST holders to buy as many tickets as possible, but that is out of my hands and something the club is in their right to choose. But removing a key benefit of the membership scheme is completely wrong, and could probably be challenged legally.
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The lack of empathy, I'm alright Jack attitude on here is staggering. Kidding yourself if you wouldn't be annoyed if a product you've paid for wasn't being delivered. It's a key feature of the scheme, a chance to buy tickets after ST holders, but before general sale.
I'm not concerned about a sell out from ST holders being able to buy as many tickets as they want, although I do think it's wrong. I think ST + 1 is more reasonable, but for me the whole issue here is that members have been completely ignored / forgotten. The first time since the scheme's introduction, we have a high demand home game, and the benefit sold to members isn't there. It's wrong on all levels. If common sense doesn't prevail I'll be demanding a full refund of my fee.
Members will have been conned, and completely misled. I'll definitely take it further if it's not resolved.
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14 minutes ago, tommytunstall said:
What a palaver, comment after comment, think it will be a tough call to sell out, so why don’t we just let the club carry on and sell the tickets.
If you paid for something, then when you went to collect it the seller said you couldn't have it, would you just let it go or "comment"?
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19 minutes ago, lydiatevaliant said:
The only difference is 1876+ included a ticket to the first league game.
And regardless, neither are mentioned in the ticket release schedule, so it's irrelevant.
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1 minute ago, Fosse69 said:
If STs are allowed to buy 2 tickets, 1876s should be allowed to buy 1 if not 2 also.
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The way I read it, ST holders can buy as many as they want. The statement says "additional tickets for friends and family".
1876 members aren't even mentioned, it goes from ST holders straight to general sale.
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During the promotion season the usable capacity was 15,000. The club sell 3,000 to away fans, so at most, the home capacity is 12,000.
Since then there's been the issue with the Paddock toilets. So we just don't know as things currently stand, what the actual capacity of the ground is. If I had to guess, it's closer to 10,000 for home fans.
Now bearing in mind 5k ST holders will be able to buy "additional tickets" for friends and family, it's not hard to see why members have an issue with having to wait for general sale.
Like I said before, even if it doesn't become an issue, this shouldn't be happening. Members have paid a fee for a product with a benefit that has been taken away from them.
Absolutely no one should be ok with this.
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33 minutes ago, ollyandpatch said:
Christ, social media was full of "no way we will sell out, and "might get 8k" just a week ago. They drop the prices for kids and now it will sell out in minutes !!
Personally think we WILL sell out but I think it will go right up to the week before the match.
Not the point. Do you think it's right that being a friend of a season ticket holder gets priority over a paid up member, sold on the understanding they'd get priority before tickets go on general sale?
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49 minutes ago, Packmoor_vale said:
Anyone who wants a ticket for this game will get one no way will season ticket holders sell out we ain’t got 13000 fans
Do you know the capacity for home fans?
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9 hours ago, lydiatevaliant said:
It states that cup competitions are excluded from the £4 discount off ticket prices which is fine, but clearly 1876 members should have priority over friends of season ticket holders, since we've paid £15 for the privilege of priority access. For me, that advertised benefit was the only reason I took out the membership.
Reading that caveat on the 1876 advert, I think the club are going to try to say that also refers to the priority access benefit between ST holders and general sale. Might be wrong, but that's my prediction. It's quite clearly only referring to the £4 off, as you rightly say, but just a hunch.
It's a huge error by the club. If members end up being lumped in with general sale and we get a repeat (or worse given the release schedule implies ST holders can buy multiple "additional tickets for friends and family") of the Man City situation, then we could see members not being able to get tickets for this game. Whilst non ST holders / non members get priority over us. It's an absolute farce that needs resolving straight away.
People may think this is a non issue, but if the capacity is massively reduced to 8 or 9k for home fans as it currently is, then it becomes a very real issue if 5k ST holders plus their friends and family get first dibs. Even if that doesn't come to fruition, it's wrong purely on principle. I've paid for a product that affords me certain benefits that I'm potentially now being denied.
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2 hours ago, lydiatevaliant said:
1876 memberships have been advertised with the following incentive:
1876 Memberships return for 2023/24 Season! | News | Port Vale
WWW.PORT-VALE.CO.UKThey've sold 1876 memberships on the basis they give priority, after season ticket holders, for all high profile matches, only for the club to reach a quarter final and 1876 members receive zero priority. It seems mates of season ticket holders are at the front of the queue instead.
Since the advertised benefits clearly aren't being honoured, will the club be issuing refunds for every 1876 membership they've mis-sold?
I hadn't seen the Thursday ticket update showing the breakdown of when tickets will be going on sale. I'm a member so this effects me, so I'm not having this, will be contacting the club directly. Absolute joke if this isn't corrected.
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We need get behind the team massively for this game, create an atmosphere similar to Swindon. There's been a lot of talk for and against the Hamil switch, even bickering about which is better, Hamil or Railway. Who cares. Lets just focus on improving the atmosphere with what we've got.
Years ago we used to sing, Johnny Rudges Black n White Army, they're so good it's unbelievable...then it changed to P.V.F.C. and it's never been the same since, we race through it so quick it dies off after a couple of attempts. The P.V.F.C is to blame. Why don't we just go with Andy Crosby's Black n White Army on repeat, but interchange between Hamil and Railway. It will help to control the pace so the chant could go on for ages. That was what used to be great about it. Will never forget Liverpool away in the league Cup, it went on for what felt like 30 minutes and got everyone involved, dropping off and picking back up again at times.
Would sound brilliant if it worked.
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Yet again the powers that be just don't get football. Fans can't always get to games so these views provide them with content as close to what it's like in the ground as possible, rather than the usual highlights vantage points. Hopefully they can find a way to still vlog but without showing footage of the actual game. Won't be anywhere near as good.
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I'm actually shocked by how many people think we'll get 6 or 7k home fans for this. I was talking to a Stoke fan at work yesterday. He asked if with not being a ST holder I was worried I'd not get a ticket. I said no not worried at all, tickets will likely make general sale and then going off the chat I've seen online people don't seem too fussed about the game. He couldn't believe it, thought it was a shame if it didn't sell out. I had to agree with him. Would be embarrassing not to sell out given the enormity of the game. Anything under 10k Vale fans would be shambolic. This for me is the biggest game in my lifetime, I can't believe how many people aren't fussed about their club being in a quarter final for what will probably be the only time in their life.
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5 minutes ago, jjvale_03 said:
1000 disgruntled Crewe fans looking for tickets in the home end?
Good luck to them, they wouldn't stand a chance without purchase history, and they'd be off their heads to try. And do you honestly think they'd bring another 1,000. This is Crewe we're talking about.
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3 hours ago, Brian Johnson said:
Do you know what? I usually agree with everything that you put on OVF. You are one of my favourite posters but what you have put here is a little bit of bunkum in my book.
We are just the same at gamesmanship like any other team in fact, we were probably the best at it in League Two last year and everyone was lording it on here it last season.
Once the opposition do it, people are up in arms, yet when we do it we celebrate it.
My actual first experience / memory of timewasting, <ovf censored> housing or whatever you want call it was the Germans and in particular, Jurgen Klinnsman at the 1990 World Cup.
Going down like they have been shot and then turning into a Tom Daley gold medalist.
Its not just been happening over the past few years, its been happening for over 30 years.
I actually agree with everything you've put here. I think we probably agree with each other because my points weren't actually about Vale v Burton in isolation, although I know I used specific incidents from yesterday as examples. I certainly don't think we're innocent, it's a general reference to English football, the game we grew up watching 30 years ago. I actually thought after I posted, when did this all start, and I thought about the foreign players that often dived with horrendous histrionics. The first name that popped into my head was Klinsmann as it happens. With the success of the prem brought an influx of foreign players who dived around, were idolised by youngsters of the time who are now the players we watch, modelling themselves on their favourite players from their youth.
I was obsessed with football back in the 90s so would watch Italian football on a Sunday on Channel 4. Absolute bore fest most weeks. Diving, tippy tappy, 0 - 0 or 1 - 0 most weeks. Not for me.
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1 hour ago, Hoppers said:
Yeah saying there were 5 goals it's one of the worst games iv ever seen. No enjoyment to be had at all. I am quite happy to applaud well worked goals by the opposition (sorry, but I enjoy good football) but in fairness theirs were shockers, our fault more than cutting edge footwork. Hey ho, we will beat Portsmouth 💓
Same. Ipswich stands out for me. Far better 3 - 2 match. Two teams going for it. No gamesmanship. Their first was a great team goal, the second a perfect half volley, which I applauded at the time. Lost the game so was disappointed but came away thoroughly entertained. Exactly how it should be.
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Listened to a bit more. Johnny brought up Euro 96 to counter Bez's statement that he's fell out of love with the game since then due to the rise of gamesmanship. But is Johnny talking about the standard of football at Euro 96 or level of gamesmanship? Two different topics altogether.
I'm completely in agreement with Bez. I played grassroots through the 90s and 00s. You just wouldn't let a player know they'd hurt you. There was an honour in the game. That's gone now. If a player went down the way Kirk did at times yesterday, seemingly in agony, they'd still be in hospital now.
And that's where I come back to Johnny's argument about Euro 96. Technically its better now, but is it more enjoyable? More exciting and entertaining? I don't think it is. Yesterday was a "5 goal thriller" if you see that scoreline. Not for me. Was boring at times. Seen more exciting nil nils.
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Love the pod, but find myself getting so annoyed with Johnny sometimes. I'm about 10 mins into the Burton review. Bezza is bang on the money re the extent of gamesmanship in the game these days. Johnny might just be playing devils advocate and not truly believe the contradictions he offers up, or if he genuinely isn't getting pissed off with it, he's only been watching football a few years and knows no different. Back in the 90s early 00s you'd lose a game and know the other team were simply better on the day. These days, gamesmanship is used as a way of levelling the playing field. Yesterday was a prime example. They identified the ref was weak early doors and targeted him. The time wasting, feigning injury, goalkeeper falling on the ball, kicking the ball away etc was some of the worst I've ever seen. The ref lost complete control. Football has always been a results business but entertainment did used to be part of the motivation for teams, and refs play a part in ensuring the product is a decent standard too. I'd love to know how many minutes we spent yesterday watching the ball in their keepers hands. It was appalling viewing, I partly blame the keepers, managers, clubs that push that way of behaving, but the ref has a huge part to play in preventing the game descending into farce. That's what happened yesterday. You could see Vale players moaning at the ref when the keeper was taking ages, and he just shrugged his shoulders as if to say, what do you want me to do about it...BOOK HIM. He should have been booked around the 47th minute when it first started. Wouldn't have done it again. But the fact that keeper came off the pitch without a yellow is just sheer incompetence on the ref's part. He was completely oblivious to it.
I had to stop listening to the pod after 10 mins this morning because Johnny was winding me up too much. Think I'm listening too soon, yesterday is still raw.
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Posted · Edited by Family Stand Terrier
It's a Port Vale fans forum to discuss Port Vale related topics. A group of Vale fans, of which I am one, have had a key benefit of their membership excluded from an upcoming event. It's precisely because someone else complained about this on here that I became aware of it in the first place.
If you're too sensitive to criticism of the club, I'm not sure this is the place for you.
I'm not crying out for regime change here. It's an issue, but it's not beyond repair. It's certainly not worthy of a cover up, which you seem to want. You're blindly defending the indefensible, and you've been proven wrong yet refuse to admit it.