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One of the poorest 2nd halves I've ever witnessed in 23 years of supporting the Vale.
It's starting to really hurt now. I had hope until today. Ultimately but a few weeks can't wash away a year and a half of neglect and bad decisions. This unfortunately doesn't just fall on the departed Flitcroft but also Carol who as an owner should forsee her plan or in other words her INVESTMENT crumbling before her eyes. You got away with it by the skin of your teeth last year, this year you've managed to outdo yourself and leave it too late to sack the DoF who survived 3 managers up until his departure.
Furthermore Darren Moore. Is he the man to take us forward when the inevitable happens?
A win % of 15 says otherwise, considering we gave him the 5 year deal, which again brings me to Carol, who must have had some say in this decision. It reeks of softness which pretty much sums up our season. Kind and soft and rolling over none of which should be associated with my beloved Port Vale FC.
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Do you think there could be players that read this site? Not even joking...
I said before this game following Burton we will see today who wants it and each and every one of them wants it and has a hunger and desire for it. I may have had a drink...
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We are about to see how bad this team really want it.
Take the passion and the togetherness into any game as we did with Burton and we stand a chance.
As long as they turn up and try their damn best now, that's all I want. Shows really how poor its been.
All eyes will be on Loft today, he should have some confidence in himself from last week and good on him for getting that goal.
Really is the hope that kills you isn't it? I'm going 1-0 Vale, Loft to score a tap in.
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3 minutes ago, Dr Delgado said:
I think this sums up where we are at. I think Flitcroft has been rather shrewd and cunning with regard to his relationships with the club officials and with Carol in particular. During his tenure it would appear that all personnel who were close to Carol were forced to fall on their sword at some point or other. I think Flitcroft wanted to be the sole conduit between Carol and the rest of the club, Garlick went, Speed went, not to mention two managers. I suspect that according to Flitcroft all failings associated with the club are the fault of everyone else and not him. Fortunately he wasn’t fooling us, I bet if he had the chance he would try to convince Carol to sack the fans.
He should definitely have been sacked on February 1st.
Best Post on here in months. Agree with everything except he should have been sacked December 31st. So we could have had a good go at the Jan transfer window.
Maybe she didn't want to spoil his Christmas holidays?
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'and we thank Dave for the time he has spent at Vale Park.'
No we don't.
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Good riddance - his position became untenable whether sacked or resigned we can look to rebuild now.
He survived up to 3 managers in 2 years and you could argue 3 windows I say 3 because the summer, although some quality was recruited I.e Ripley he failed to address key positions in his ideology of how he wanted Port Vale to play football that's the wingbacks and a solid Striker, I'm sorry but if we had fulfilled them positions I'm not saying we would be world beaters but we'd certainly be higher and we'd look a lot better if we kept Pett and he somehow perhaps persuaded a Hall to stay (granted i know that his issue was location, but money talks, and Vale are a poorer side without him.) With the exception of Arblaster and Devine we seem to have opted and relied heavily on young loan players and you just can't get away with that, there has been no spine to this team and if we still insist on playing this way in the summer I'd say whoever is in charge of recruiting players has to and it is critical to address these 3 positions.
Which brings me to my next question...Do we really need a DOF?
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12 minutes ago, DaneValiant said:
All you naysayers just have to remember who brought in Gore from Man U and Williams from Liverpool. They’re massive clubs - how did Flitcroft pull off such deals? We may not have won in 2024, but you need to take the rough with the smooth
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahaahhahahahaha. Okay I'll stop laughing now. If you're joking that's got me in tears- if you're serious that's still got me in tears. A massive whopping 1 appearance between them and a sh** 1 at that it's about as smooth as 20 minute drive on the m6 on a Friday evening on the way back from work. F******, stand still.
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Gutless. Spineless. Heartless. Take what you want from that but that is my 3 words. When a young lad steps up to give us but a glimmer of hope of 3 points says says it all.
David Flitcroft you have left a squad of players totally out of depth and inept of understanding the core values of the hardworking working class people who come and watch this team.
This team fights for nothing and I repeat that nothing, but it's okay for them, they'll still get their salary
But what about us?
Remember that team during out promotion season?
Were we the highest scorers in that division? No.
Did we perhaps have the best defensive record in that division? No.
Were we the best team in that division? - No.
Did we have the players with heart and desire to play for the badge? Oh yes.
I'll never forget Hartlepool away where we had to really grind for a result and every man and their dog in who represented Port Vale our club come out to the fans and give us recognition and celebrated - I knew then it was our time.
That's the complete difference with our promotion team and this team. There is no desire no heart no commitment to the average Joe fan the promotion team but their bodies and heart on the line for their goals and even though at times the goals seem hard or unreachable they never gave up.
Case in point our day at Wembley.
Take all the fight spirit and togetherness out of the team that went up was there enough quality? Perhaps but I am not sure.
That can be the difference but I am convinced these players do not give a sh** after today's results and that opinion will stand until the inevitable happens and we end up with the dreaded R against our name.
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3 minutes ago, PVFC FAN said:
If she said they're <ovf censored> I don't think we would have any chance of staying up. The players wouldn't be arsed. Even if Carol knows they're <ovf censored> she shouldn't say it. Better off telling fans the players are great and we should get behind them. Atleast then we have more of a fighting chance.
I get what you're saying, but players come and go the fans will be here forever.
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2 minutes ago, PVFC FAN said:
She isn't going to say there <ovf censored> is she. Go on who else do you think can be arsed owning a club like this?
Call a spade a spade. The players are f****** poor, ain't even saying she should go but the constant asking for the fans to support this dross is getting old everytime we have been asked to show in numbers to be the 12th man the fans have delivered, yet the players haven't turned up. I'd rather someone acknowledge this is sh** than lie and say the players are phenomenal when they trot around and can't even mark a centre half on a corner. As I say no I don't want Carol out but there has to be some acknowledgement that this is nowhere near good enough.
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1 minute ago, JS Valiant said:
Exactly Moore is an Absolute Failure
Can't blame Moore. Nobody would fix this mess. There is a much bigger problem at our club than the manager, he's the human shield from Flitcroft. Who will probably get the sack thus making it 3 managers reigns than Flitcroft survives.
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Regardless of flitcroft though he is the man responsible, sometimes within 90 minutes of football Side A's 11 just isn't good enough compared to Side B. It's that black and white. (Pardon the pun)
If we want to stay up, we've got to be winning sides like this, if we don't win today we are down it's that simple.
Benning with an assist is a proper kick in the teeth shows perhaps one of the many features we are missing? An out an out /wing back he'd 100% get in this team for me.
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David Flitcroft.
- Appointed a manager with next to Jo experience at this level without interviewing any other potential Calibre candidates in Andy Crosby, as nice of a guy he is he' no manager.
- Failed to replace arguably one of the best players at the time Connor Hall.
- Failed to replace Ellis Harrison who by no means was an out and out Goalscorer but was a useful player instead opting on utilising youngsters such as Odubeko and Josh Thomas or otherwise spending an actual budget on Ryan Loft who's numbers never indicated he was never going to be a success so ultimately he's brought a player in who essentially is a panic buy, in an area we've desperately needed to strengthen. How does that work Flickers? Where does the stats indicate that Ryan Loft would have been a successful signing given that he was out for most of last season and his goal return to appearances in nothing short of abysmal.
- Signs Williams on loan, whether injured or bad attitude you can decipher this in two ways. Didn't we sign players with 'Good references' from other clubs? If his attitude stinks surely his reference from Aberdeen would be <ovf censored> if he's been injured most of the season then surely that signings not justifiable.
- insists on a 5 at the back formation yet we have 1 out and out fullback at the club I'd argue on Clark who has been out for ages, no out and out LWB.
At the end of the day David Flitcroft is a DOF and his primary focus should be to build a culture and squad capable of competing in league one, he has failed.
A nice new scoreboard and pitch are useless to me if we are not the teaming winning on it, I am sorry.
Therefore he has to good it will turn toxic if it has not already and Carol needs to see sense, if not, then we will only decline. You've got my signature, Flitcroft out.
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9 minutes ago, Old fort said:
For the first time in umpteen seasons, sadly I'm seriously considering NOT renewing mine and the wife's season tickets. Not because of the fact that we may be in L2 yet again, but because I find it totally demoralising we're parting with our hard earned brass, so that a stark failure of a DoF can squander it yet again, in exactly the same fashion that his last two years track record has demonstrated,
I know this isn't positively supporting the club and harms the club, but really I,like many others, can't afford to waste money for the reward of feeling utterly depressed and miserable, after watching defeat after defeat
The hype, national coverage and massive over positivity which was fanfared post promotion, had me and many others hooked, as we were sold a ridiculous notion that Port Vale were on an upward trajectory, backed by the prospect of a professional, business set up and the pledge of making new memories . Well that aged well, didn't it? We now certainly have new memories, but not ones that we'll treasure.
So I guess there's a part of me that feels a little embarrassed at been taken for a fool for buying in to all that, but I'm also angry at the clubs failure to address the situation that has been allowed to fester while seemingly, being in total denial of it, as demonstrated as an example, by that bizarre open letter, which was always going to back fire.
Vote with your wallet and feet, that's the only way to see change if you're unhappy with the current predicament
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Just now, PV1973 said:
Someone’s having a poor game, a poor run of form, has just misplaced a pass or made a mistake or heaven forbid passed it backwards… what’s the best way to give that player some support? I know some fat middle aged blokes booing them and calling them <ovf censored>, that’s how.
Like I say, they've paid their money. They're entitled to an opinion. That's reality.
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5 minutes ago, LancyTony said:
They don't care that their words may be adversely affecting someone - as long as they get to open their big gobs and show how clever they are!
Always has been and always will be like that whether its right or wrong you're in the public eye! I'd love someone to call me sh** every week if it meant I was on their money! That's the reality. At the end of the day we pay money to see this as its our form of entertainment within the community as lont as its not taken to an extreme I.e harassment or threats then an opinion will always be that.
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3 minutes ago, Diego Maradona said:
Maybe to score goals?
So that's how you win games of football 😲
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Good luck to Tommy. Strange to see other players come through before him on a perhaps more consistent basis at the Vale I thought he looked lively and eager in a vale shirt. Wish we saw more in fairness, must be doing something right, best of luck kid
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Surely Carol looks at this and thinks what the **** , doesn't take a football genius to realise this is a complete and utter joke. We've gone from what you'd assume is a process and you could tell perhaps the calibre of player we were after earlier in the regime I.e our play off promotion season to throwing sh** at the wall and hoping it sticks.
There's no criteria to any of our signings and we've not only not addressed KEY signings I.e wingback and a striker but we've now AGAIN shown regression in other departments of our squad.
Ultimately here, the blame falls on Flitcroft. But I also think Carol needs to be asking the question of how long can this carry on for for me the club needs a complete restructure in the playing and recruiting staff. Yet again feeding off the scraps that no other club seems to want.
Nowhere near acceptable.
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1 minute ago, MiddleportValiant said:
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27 minutes ago, Brian Johnson said:
Just going back to our fine youngsters.
Are we waiting until they turn 18 before signing them on a professional contract?
I believe once they're 17 they're eligible a professional deal.
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Another thing too add, if I was flitcroft and Crosby I'd be opening negotiations to all them young lads who featured last night if they are old enough to sign professional deals
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Plenty better last night , and as someone who hasn't particularly been a Crosby fan of late fair play to him last night picking that 11 showed some balls.
Shorrock looked like he'd been playing for years in that first team.
Lomax could teach Smith a thing or two about distribution his ability to carry the ball and get us up the pitch quicker is an aspect of play we've much needed to improve on he pinged a pass to Uche and away we went I've not seen us play that direct in a long while
Devine had a great one last night he's definitely found his stride.
Also for anyone booing Loft, do you really think that helps him in anyway shape or form? When you boo it's normally with an intent to show we are unhappy with what we're being given and that moment we were winning and comfortably, applaud and cheer and let's get him some much needed confidence, for me he looks like a player who's devoid of confidence.
Great win Great performance 3 points, if we give that much effort in the 2nd half of the season we'll be just fine.
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4 minutes ago, Walka003 said:
Ripley, Leutwiler, Yak, Lowe, Deborah, Sang, Grant, Clark, Balmer, Devine, Arblaster, Loft, Uche, Thomas, Chislett and Wilson (after releasing him).
I'd say Ripley, Jesse, Sang, Devine, Arblaster and Chizzy have been good. So 6 out of 16, or 37.5% success rate.As good as Arblaster and Devine have been aswell we'll be lucky to see him in a vale shirt again so we've only had him half a season and Devine could be recalled and sent out to a higher standard team both of them had no right be as good as they have proven to be in my opinion they were chancer signings! Look at all the young lads on loan we've had in the past 2 seasons and how many can we say did the business?
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Moore out
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A Manager is paid to get the best results that they possibly can, whatever industry that you work in. And in the Football industry you're paid quite well to do that, Moore for me isn't worth the 5 year deal nor the wages that'll be going on his bank.
2 wins out of 15 is utter sh**e. Whatever way you look at it.
Granted they aren't his players but listen listen his post match interviews, that wouldn't inspire my dog to f****** run around. And he's zooming at walkies😅.
I can't see us getting rid of him but I think the best thing for Port Vale is a complete revamp of the infrastructure of the club, what's that going to cost I don't know. I just don't think that Moore is up for it personally, complete lack of personality and fight.