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Will you bury me under the Bycars
will you bury me under the sun
will you bury me under the bycars
when my duty to football is done
I ve got a mate he is silly
cus my mate is a Stoke city fan
if my mate came to watch port vale
maybe my mate would grow to be a man .
Let’s get back on track next season and stop feeling sorry for ourselves… cricket and euros will take up the summer then let’s get back on it…. Swindon away first game?
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cup game for the under 14s tomorrow on there if you fancied a bit of fresh air over the bank holiday !!
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1 hour ago, Killersrevenge44 said:The Vale have won something this season!
Easy to be blasé... more difficult to make a difference to people's lives who really need it like these people at Vale are trying to do.
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13 hours ago, Brian Johnson said:
He created that chance all on his own.
He scores that goal if that chance would have happened have the goal he scored
I don't quite understand your 2nd sentence sorry.
I m a Loft fan he’s tall and very quick it’s upto vale to get the best out of him… probably a top quartile league 2 forward but bottom quartile league 1 forward … ( bit like us as a club really). He wasn’t t fit when he first started with us he looks sharper now.
But I m sure he will admit as well as he played he should have scored when clean through on goal like that.
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2 minutes ago, leedsvaliant said:6 minutes ago, Brian Johnson said:First game that I have not watched all season. I had something I could not get out of.
The 2 minutes highlight's that I have watched. it was like watching the Ryan Loft supershow.
The power, the aggression was brilliant!
Even the chance he missed in the first half was all created by himself through that power & aggression.
He played a massive part in the build up to the goal his scored in which is a you finsh, superb!I actually thought he did everything right with that chance in the first half. Keeper got in a good position to narrow down the angle, just unfortunate that he couldn't squeeze it inside the post.
I m sure even he would say he should have scored there.
I couldn’t make the game yesterday but on the highlight s package he looked like Haaland… I guess he also started with us when he wasn’t really fit which gives some people the illusion that he s not trying. He looks a little bit leaner I think now than when he first joined.a win Friday and I would say we ve pulled this relegation malarkey to 50/50… still 60 /40 we ll go down to me.
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52 minutes ago, werstayinup said:
Premier clubs already watching Dipepa and the plus point is we dont have to sell for 400k etc as he has got another 2yrs yet,so imo it will take a big money offer from one of them...... will he go? of course he will BUT under our terms
You never know.. if he’s like all the rest (and who can blame him) he would have insisted in a release clause I m sure for instance if a premiership club or a bid of s certain amount was tabled he d be entitled to be released.
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10 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:
Our worst performance of the season was away at Fleetwood. In my opinion Loft was the only one who was trying in the game.
Tend to agree that’s the only performance where it looked like a few weren’t fully commited… maybe they knew Crosby was on his way?
we have lacked confidence and been guilty of muddled thinking due to changes in style of play bought about by changes to and then back from a possession based game which has lead to mistakes both individual and team wise along with a lack of athleticism and a fair dose of not being good enough but I don’t think they haven’t been trying. Why would a lower league pro not give it everything when his mortgage payments and kids schooling are directly linked to his on field performance?yesterdays result was in part diwn to not being a goal behind in the first 20 minutes for a change and we grew into the game especially 2nd half.
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31 minutes ago, PVP said:
Hopefully a platform for Ryan Loft to build upon, hopefully a confidence boost for the team, hopefully the team will fight tooth and nail in the remaining games, hopefully 3 more points on Friday and whoever knows we might just stay up.....hopefully.
Hope so
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5 minutes ago, worldsendvalefan said:
Mark Harrison, remember him. Went to United I think. Must say Connaughton was my favourite
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He went Stoke I think I remember as part of the mark chamberlain deal?
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Thankfully an improvement over what we ve seen recently... I ve gone from watching it from behind the sofa to only blocking the view with my fingers.
Far from convinced we can keep a clean sheet but with Garrity in this team with Plant to add energy off the bench maybe we can sneak out of the bottom 4 by the end of the season.
Their commentator is doing my nut in though.
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1 hour ago, robf said:
I never said in my post that the things they wanted to do were wrong. Far from it, I actually said the infrastructure changes would be "great to have" and I think some of them sound amazing. I admire the long-term thinking (but the key words in that sentence are "long" and "term").
As my post says, it's the order of things that I think is wrong.
Get the first-team picture right (and we saw that for spells under Billy Bell) and that success allows you the leeway to make gradual infrastructure changes as well. Arguably Bell's reign came to an end when rather than smaller scale, sustainable projects he took away a load of the first-team budget to start the LS work. In that he also tried to run before he could walk.
Not sure… if we class Bells tenure as getting the “first team picture right” even then we ended up in administration. So having things right on the pitch without the infra structure in place isn’t the way to go.?
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21 minutes ago, smithie said:
We did have a good "product" (hate that phrase) last season until Christmas but we didn't see any bigger gates...and the gates we had were swelled by the free/virtually free tickets issued post-promotion.
Low attendances at Vale are nothing new....we had plenty of 6000 gates under Rudgie in the Second Division.
Correct and we ended up in administration… so something has to change if we want to progress beyond our current natural league 2 / league 1 position… and that is what the new owners are trying to do.
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9 minutes ago, JoeB2 said:
We'd also won 1 in 12 league games and were one of the worst League 1 teams throughout 2023. It was 10 days before Christmas, and 3 days before said quarter-final which had inflated ticket prices (again, just before the most expensive period of the year).
Our average attendance last year was 7,500+. Surely that is sufficient evidence that success on the pitch leads to higher attendances?
You've just taken a couple of sentences in isolation though ... my point is that given what's gone before the club needs to do things in a different way. less than 6000 on a Saturday v Wigan given where we were as a team isn't going to allow us to progress as a club without selling players on for a profit to supplement it.
The 7500 average the season before is skewed by the away followings, I m speaking about home fans.
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5 minutes ago, robf said:
I may be being overly simplistic but I see it as:
- Infrastructure improvements - great to have
- A competitive, balanced first-team squad - must have
In order of priority:
1) First-team squad
2) InfrastructureI'm also surprised that when other clubs in similar positions were clearly able to bring in experienced strikers (Lyle Taylor to Cambridge say, or Mo Eisa to Exeter) these moves appeared to raise no alarm bells and no change of plan.
The club seemed to stay in its bubble of - let's wait and see what happens / wait till bigger clubs make signings and get their offcasts / look at the PL2 market / wait till deadline day - almost as if adding another striker was a nice thing to have, not an absolute essential.
Where were the alarm bells once Uche had been injured? Why, if these other clubs are paying over the odds for Taylor, Eisa etc, did we not react and see if we could move some of the budget from other things to the playing budget and pay over the odds to ensure we get the right player in? Perhaps there was no budget to move, but the attitude after failing to sign anyone seems to be for the club to have shrugged its shoulders and say "Oh well, we missed out on some targets" as if it's a slight mishap rather than something that could seal relegation.
Why does the club appear to not have learnt any lessons from the previous transfer windows? This is a club that on the 1st August had one senior striker in Ellis Harrison. A club who started the previous season with one fit, senior striker in Jamie Proctor. A club who waited till the very final day in January 2023 to add an injured striker despite us having no fit strikers at the start of the year.
Yes, we all get it's difficult to get a striker in. We realise there's a load of factors to getting someone in - but other clubs seemed to manage to do so.
You won't get very far if you continually repeat the same mistakes every window.
Your post will get a zillion likes but it probably is over simplistic. Undoubtedly mistakes have been made in the transfer window, however lets take a look at what has gone before (albeit a simplistic one) and we can see why the new owners wanted to do things in a different way with more emphasis on the infra structure than in previous years...
We've had a successful local business man as an owner with success on the pitch : end result though we couldn't pay our tax bill and went into administration.
We've had a fans consortium as owners (myself and and others lost thousands of pounds trying to back this event) end result was zero success on the pitch and administration.
We've had a non local successful business man as an owner end result was zero success on the pitch (almost ended up in non league) and threats that he was going to put us into administration.
Its hardly surprising then that the new owners (quite rightly in my opinion) wanted to take the club in a different direction. Improve infra structure and community work, improve pitch, change our playing style to a possession based game to help attract better youngsters and to sell players on at a profit rather than ending up in a financial mess. They have also tried to increase our fan base by the introduction of youth and community teams and raising the profile of the club by having RW as president. Without increasing our fan base we will always be between top half of league 2 and middle of league 1. On 16th Dec we were in all the cup competitions (including a league cup quarter final) and a reasonable league position having been involved in some decent games, yet we still got less that 6000 home fans through the gate on a Saturday. This isnt enough to progress without the owners dipping more into their pockets and makes the development and sale of players even more important than it would be for a club with a larger fan base.
Its the execution of this change that isn't currently going to plan but I think that the owners require some credit for understanding and at least trying to execute that change.
But of course it is a result's business and better signatures as you describe in January would have gone some way to improve our results no doubt. But we ve just paid big money for probably the biggest named manager out there so lets hope he can get a couple of home wins and get a bit of momentum going as we go into the last 10 games.
Never give up.
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19 minutes ago, Nippy Naylor said:
Lomax and shorrock would give you passion and fight which are sadly lacking in the current squad barring a few players.
They started away at Carslile and were subbed at half time they were bad.
Coming on as sub is different than starting.
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4 hours ago, saintvaliant said:
Moore has said there is nothing in the links to Dwight Gayle.
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1 minute ago, Bobnewtonian said:
I confused myself there!
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3 hours ago, Vtid said:
Where you seen this?
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1 minute ago, TJHValiant said:
You’re totally right about the strikers. The Blackpool match, which was our last win was brilliant because it is the only time when we had Wilson, Uche and Loft all featuring. Blackpool didn’t know what to do with a dangerous Devine, Wilson and Uche coming at them.
A sad glimpse of what might have been for Crosby and it all quickly fell apart…
I think the loss of Arblaster and Devine was expected but combine that with the loss of Ojo and Garrity would have been a lot to take for most teams in League 1.
I think out of contract players are out of contract for a reason. ok if we can get one without a major finiancial impact I can just about reconcile that but throwing money at one isnt the way to go for me.
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I wouldn't break our pay structure for Gayle. Short term contract on default salary for him (or similar out of contract player) I could understand, but we wont progress as a club with those type of signings.
For me any spare money we have should be put toward attracting a 23 year old centre forward who will be released by a championship club this summer. Improve him and sell him on.
We have Loft, Wilson, Mighton, with attacking midfielders like Chislet, and Garrity in a couple of weeks and hopefully Gore. We also have Uche but I've no idea where he is with his fitness. Its not table topping but still better than Cheltenhams options of Taylor and Lloyd, both of whom we let go after much derision on here.
I d be looking at getting the best out of Loft, probably playing him in a wider position with Mighton on the right, making sure either Garrity or Chislet or Gore got themselves through the middle to support along with another midfielder and a wing back to keep the ball alive in and around their box. With Wilson off the bench after an hour as gaps appear and the opposition tires. Same hopefully with Plant if he can just get himself fit.
But sorting out the defensive side of things will be the priority this week I think for DM.
44 minutes ago, Osh said:Message from my m8:
Every single member of the squad is training !!!
Garrity - 1 week away
Clarke - 2 weeks away
Gore doing 1-1 fitness coachAre things really on the up for Vale.
By the way who is doing the coaching ? And who is the fitness coach ?
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40 minutes ago, Osh said:
Message from my m8:
Every single member of the squad is training !!!
Garrity - 1 week away
Clarke - 2 weeks away
Gore doing 1-1 fitness coachAre things really on the up for Vale.
And Uche ? Long term ?
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Should we cash in? If we did how would we replace him? I knew this would happen if he could get himself fit…
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1 hour ago, MBE said:
Agree mate. No way we are done.
Still need a ST on loan and a permanent LWB for me. Given the number of inexperienced players in our squad, regardless of ability or potential, I don’t feel it’s practical to rely on Shorrock to deputise for Grant especially if things get tight towards the bottom 4.
Our loan business is great but we have to focus on the short/medium term goals as well with a permanent signing.
Is an ST a season ticket holder?
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51 minutes ago, valefan79 said:
While been excellent yesterday and against Wigam, you have to admit the Boro and Cheltenham games were absoutely dire to watch and we were awful. I have been openly critical of Crosby, not because of the results or the position in the league but because of how boring we are at times to watch and possession just for the sake of it. Last night and the Wigan game were different and if we showed that kind of fight and passion, the crowd will get behind them, play like many games in the last 3 months and rightly supporters will not be happy. You saw the crowd get behind the team in the second half against after booing the first half performance, all Vale fans ask for us is to show some fight and passion. I have said before I would not give Wilson a contract, he is aboustely quality and seeing him the last 3 games changed my mind on him and what a player, for me the best technically player we had since going down from what is now the championship in 1999.
Unfair to judge Vale v Boro, a far superior club to us with players on considerably larger salaries.
Cheltenham game Clarke did a job on us same as he used to do for us and good luck to him.
Fans get behind the team? 5000 there last night usual rubbish support some of whom even boo their own player when he comes on. If the fans can't get behind the club with stable local owners and fully comitted players like Garrity and Ojo and Devine even when things aren't going to plan then we will end up back in league 2.
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James Anderson
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Thanks for the memories Jimmy... seems like 10 minutes ago when you were rapid but wayward youngster up at lancs.
Nothing lasts for ever and its the right time to move on. I bet you cant go out in the same way as Broady with a wicket with your last ball in test cricket !!
There ll be youngsters chomping at the bit for a go a fragile West Indies this summer, lets see who sticks their hand up.
( I just realised I ve written this as though he ll be reading it !! Weird)
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