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    The old system allowed people not to have to go to work.The new one makes it better if they do.Simple really,go to work or do without.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howjy04 View Post
    The old system allowed people not to have to go to work.The new one makes it better if they do.Simple really,go to work or do without.
    It's not as straight forward as that-many companies pay monthly and to work will incur costs such as motoring or food and indeed paying bills to keep a roof over your head. The system is designed to kill people and employers don't take on people who are struggling to eat or look after themselves

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    Quote Originally Posted by whotobeakiller View Post
    It's not as straight forward as that-many companies pay monthly and to work will incur costs such as motoring or food and indeed paying bills to keep a roof over your head. The system is designed to kill people and employers don't take on people who are struggling to eat or look after themselves
    Most people get paid monthly including benefits claimants(4 weekly).Is there not a buffer payment going from the old system to the new one available?I agree there should be only a 4 week gap between the transfer from one to the other but work should be the first goal for everyone who can.There was no incentive to work with a 90% tax on money earned over and above benefits.I believe that is dropping to 60% with UC.
    Last edited by Howjy04; 17-10-18 at 03:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howjy04 View Post
    Most people get paid monthly including benefits claimants(4 weekly).Is there not a buffer payment going from the old system to the new one available?I agree there should be only a 4 week gap between the transfer from one to the other but work should be the first goal for everyone who can.There was no incentive to work with a 90% tax on money earned over and above benefits.I believe that is dropping to 60% with UC.
    Universal credit system allows the following to happen-

    1.Work one month for a company then get released at end of month,

    2.Get paid for that month end of following month. The next month you are out of work. Universal credit then takes in to consideration your wages from the month before so for thenext month you are out of work you would get Nothing -Nil Benefit

    There is an advance payment if that's what you mean by a 'Buffer' but it has to be payed back thus putting the claimant in debt but if you have already been paid it in the last six months you would not get it for a second time this even though you are out of work for a month you would get nothing based on your earnings from the month before!!

    Crazy!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by whotobeakiller View Post
    Correct. I know someone who is working on the black market and continues to get these benefits, How he does It I do not know. The system cannot stop people working on the black market. In fact, if anything, it will force people to work on the Black market because people simply cannot rely on a food bank for 6 weeks and not be able to pay bills.

    For people who do things 'above board'They can look for work, then start a job, get paid two week on a low minimum wage, then lose their job (Through no fault of their own Employers can hire and fire at will). They then go back to the DWP and sign on. Because they earned two weeks money that either brings down the benefit they get from the time they sign on or take them out completely as the two weeks working would be part of the two weeks they are unemployed (In the adjustment period) therefore they would have to wait another four weeks or longer before the end of the next adjustment period and therefore six or seven weeks without benefit

    There's no way anybody can survive that long without financial assistance
    Whichever system is in place some will abuse it..... the trick is to cut out the abuse without damaging the people it was meant to help.
    Unfortunately I don't think either side of the political fence has the answer or the ability to think outside the box.

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    The Office for National Statistics said the number of people in work nationally rose by 125,000 to 32.07 million in the three months to June, with the employment rate climbing by 0.3 per cent to a record 75.1 per cent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by For Us All View Post
    The Office for National Statistics said the number of people in work nationally rose by 125,000 to 32.07 million in the three months to June, with the employment rate climbing by 0.3 per cent to a record 75.1 per cent.
    Many are not even showing on the Universal credit system particularly the homeless. Other statistics are manipulated and taken off the books such as those forced to take sanctions and those wanting work but not getting the jsa element of the benefit. The 75% only represents those on the system and even that is not a true reflection as people sign on and off depending on agency work that may last just a week-these statistics are never considered

    The universal credit system insists that people after full time employment take part time work to bring up their 'earnings' the flaw being the wait for the universal credit payment takes longer and distorts any payment due on any other benefit depending on hours worked.
    Last edited by whotobeakiller; 17-10-18 at 04:14 PM.

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