Brexit again...

[Fosse69]

Are you a british citizen?
Are you currently an EU citizen?

If so then you will benefit from Brexit in the long term.

We are all dead in the long term, I will not last Smoggs 50 years.

[Fosse69]

I've answered this a million times.

I'm not scared of the result changing.

I'm scared of Government tyranny. If they do overrule the democratic decision to leave in any way then it is an abuse of power, and if the Government is happy to abuse their power, all of us lose.

Still confused on the types of referendum I see.

[Paul6754]

As mentioned thousands of times on this thread, the UK is 80% service based manufacturing has always gone abroad whilst we have been in the EU...It is the EU's fault with free movement labour policies that we are 80% service based and not manufacturing

UK manufacturing has been in decline since at least the 1960's, before the UK joined the EU. There are a myriad of reasons for this, one being Thachers "Free Market" based policies and unwillingness to subsidize companies who were in trouble so successive UK governments must shoulder much of the blame.

Contrast this to the French and German governments who invested in their troubled companies to keep them afloat and to protect from hostile takeover so to provide jobs for French and/or German people. It's called Social Capitalism, they understand the economy provides the money for welfare and education etc.

The EU is not responsible for the decline of UK manufacturing, successive UK governments are.

[For Us All]

UK manufacturing has been in decline since at least the 1960's, before the UK joined the EU. There are a myriad of reasons for this, one being Thachers "Free Market" based policies and unwillingness to subsidize companies who were in trouble so successive UK governments must shoulder much of the blame.

Contrast this to the French and German governments who invested in their troubled companies to keep them afloat and to protect from hostile takeover so to provide jobs for French and/or German people. It's called Social Capitalism, they understand the economy provides the money for welfare and education etc.

The EU is not responsible for the decline of UK manufacturing, successive UK governments are.

Seems to be working out well in France?

[whotobeakiller]

UK manufacturing has been in decline since at least the 1960's, before the UK joined the EU. There are a myriad of reasons for this, one being Thachers "Free Market" based policies and unwillingness to subsidize companies who were in trouble so successive UK governments must shoulder much of the blame.

We cannot subsidise anything when we waste billions on HS2 which is a EU influenced superstate project and having our health resources at full stretch due to high immigration. Don;t forget also subsidising companies through the taxpayer to pay low wages by allowing tax credits which was in place for years under Labour

Contrast this to the French and German governments who invested in their troubled companies to keep them afloat and to protect from hostile takeover so to provide jobs for French and/or German people. It's called Social Capitalism, they understand the economy provides the money for welfare and education etc.

It will be possible to nationalise some of our industries once we are out of Europe...won't that be a form of social capitalism? Probably why Corbyn wants us secretly out even though there is a video of him in Ireland admitting he wants out of the Monster machine which is the EU

Unions are the key in the countries you mention. Companies recognise them and the Unions and companies work together to achieve a suitable compromise. Our country has been severely compromised for years with wage undercutting with the EU's migration policies (Years after Thatcher killed off unions) almost certainly to blame. If you need ten workers in a warehouse why offer them more than the minimum if another 200 are waiting to do it for even cheaper?

The EU is not responsible for the decline of UK manufacturing, successive UK governments are.

So you admit Brexit certainly won't be responsible for UK manufacturing as you admit manufacturing has been in decline for a long long time. That long long time coincidently whilst we have been in the EU for the most part. Slight coincidence.

[geosname]

I wish people would stop bringing up socialism.. conjures up Stalin, Mao, Polpot and so many others..... although in a free market it would be possible to ship rats to Venezuela.... they have to eat something when the dogs have gone... right.

[Paul6754]

Seems to be working out well in France?

The point was about the decline in UK manufacturing and the French have a larger manufacturing base than the UK. The protests in France are not about their manufacturing base. lol.

[Paul6754]

We cannot subsidise anything when we waste billions on HS2 which is a EU influenced superstate project and having our health resources at full stretch due to high immigration. Don;t forget also subsidising companies through the taxpayer to pay low wages by allowing tax credits which was in place for years under Labour

Yes the UK can it just has gutless politicians. Both Cons and Lab are guilty of not doing enough to protect UK manufacturing industry but there are many more things in play.

It will be possible to nationalise some of our industries once we are out of Europe...won't that be a form of social capitalism? Probably why Corbyn wants us secretly out even though there is a video of him in Ireland admitting he wants out of the Monster machine which is the EU

I'm not in favor of Nationalizing anything apart from heathcare and perhaps some critical infrastruture companies but favor incubating a business 'til it gets back on it's feet or a government taking a stake in a company which is what the French and Germans tend to do.

Unions are the key in the countries you mention. Companies recognise them and the Unions and companies work together to achieve a suitable compromise. Our country has been severely compromised for years with wage undercutting with the EU's migration policies (Years after Thatcher killed off unions) almost certainly to blame. If you need ten workers in a warehouse why offer them more than the minimum if another 200 are waiting to do it for even cheaper?

The unions are key but they can get too powerful as in the 70's and 80's. The UK has to compete in a global market, no one is going to do the UK any favors if there's nothing in return.

So you admit Brexit certainly won't be responsible for UK manufacturing as you admit manufacturing has been in decline for a long long time. That long long time coincidently whilst we have been in the EU for the most part. Slight coincidence.

Didn't "Admit" anything of the sort, I posted, "UK manufacturing has been in decline since at least the 1960's". The UK has to hold onto what it's got and increase the manufacturing base through the creativity of it's people. The experts predict slower growth due to Brexit and if it happens the manufacturing base may decline more rapidly and investment may be lower than compared to staying in the EU.

[Regal Beagle]

You'll have to explain yourself there Regal, yet another incoherent statement.

Who said anything about a "Silent majority or about a "Silent majority and polls", I doubt you understand what you post.

I don't know Paul, who did say something about polls......

That's not what the recent polls indicate.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/question...he-referendum/

And just because you don't understand something doesn't make it incoherent. Or do you use your own definition for incoherent as you do with democracy?

So we will benefit from Brexit, in what form?

Losing money on the Currency exchange.
People starting to lose their jobs in Car, Food and a lot of industries and this will get a lot worse.
Prices starting to rise.
And a whole load more.

But still we will have 350 million for the NHS and The fantastic trade deals that we will sign.

Think you need to look up the meaning of Benefit. Benefit my a... .

Sovereignty.

If the government simply cannot reach an agreement in Parliament on how we leave the EU, why is it tyranny to ask the people again how they want to progress matters??

We voted for brexit. Parliament voted for brexit and enshrined it in law.

Still confused on the types of referendum I see.

Nope, you've absolutely rinsed whatever point you are trying to make, the one we both agree one and doesn't even matter that was concluded on about 20 pages ago!

[Paul6754]

I don't know Paul, who did say something about polls......

I said something about polls, you said something about silent majority and silent majority and polls, do you even know or understand what you post.

And just because you don't understand something doesn't make it incoherent. Or do you use your own definition for incoherent as you do with democracy?

My and any dictionary definition of incoherent applies to your post(s) above.

However, your views on the democratic process and honesty gives an indication of the character and nature of your posts.

[Fosse69]

Parliament only voted to start negotiating withdrawal from the EU, if we cant get a good deal we can leave without one or stay in the EU, all to play for. We could even have a mandatory referendum.