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Have only watched on TV and generally thought most acts covered were dire. McCartney's voice is now weak and Diana Ross was mostly out of tune. As for Billie Eilish, it's been said here before. Where are the likes of Katy Perry and Robbie Williams.

Okay I know I'm an old git.

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I’m probably on my own here but I thought McCartney was awful. Waste of a headliner. Compare his performance to Billie Eilish (whose music doesn’t appeal to me) but her performance and the show she put on was awesome and Macca just looked tired and dated. Noel was Noel. Sam fender was quality and the best for me. 

supergrass always good and one of the most underrated bands of the last few decades for me. 


The first hour of McCartney I'd agree with but the last hour was just brilliant. He played probably one of the greatest sections of any album in Abbey Road and dueted with a virtual Lennon. He doesn't need the style and gimmicks of Eilish as his tunes stand the test of time. Eilish and her ilk require a 'show ' because their songs are so weak.

Same with this Lammar character....it's all style over substance. Nobody will remember anything of his in 10 years, never mind 60 years.

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God, you should hear yourself. You sound like a boring old man. Who gives a <ovf censored> about whether songs are remembered tomorrow or in a 1000 years. It's pop music, much of it's about now and vibrancy and sex and youth and excitement and grins, not about some old bloke stroking his chin and going ooh this will be remembered. The equivalent of you (and others) were stood around poo-pooing the Beatles back in the day.  At least the likes of Lamarr and Eilish are trading on present glories, unlike McCartney who inspired a nation to switch on their kettles every time he played anything more recent than 50 yrs ago.

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God, you should hear yourself. You sound like a boring old man. Who gives a about whether songs are remembered tomorrow or in a 1000 years. It's pop music, much of it's about now and vibrancy and sex and youth and excitement and grins, not about some old bloke stroking his chin and going ooh this will be remembered. The equivalent of you (and others) were stood around poo-pooing the Beatles back in the day.  At least the likes of Lamarr and Eilish are trading on present glories, unlike McCartney who inspired a nation to switch on their kettles every time he played anything more recent than 50 yrs ago.


I disagree. Music should be about music not how many gimmicks you can fit into a set or how good your backing track is. Or how many dancers you have on stage. I can pretty much guarantee that neither Eilish or Lamar songs will be still sung in 50 years time. That's not being a boring old man
...listen to Eilish's set...can you imagine any of that being remembered? There's not a memorable song amongst it. Vibrant? Sexy? It was just dirge against a pre recorded backing track. If it had melody then I'd be the first to say it's exciting.

These acts should be getting down on their hands and knees and thanking the lord for McCartney...without him and Lennon many of these acts wouldn't exist.

I'm clearly not the target audience for it but I'm scratching my head as to how they are currently so popular.

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1 minute ago, leedsvaliant said:


I'm clearly not the target audience for it but I'm scratching my head as to how they are currently so popular.
 

 

You've answered your own question there.

People still remember Spice Girls and Britney Spears songs 25 or so years on and I'm sure they will in another 25 years. Abba were frequently dismissed as pap. Lots of <ovf censored> records are still remembered 50, 60, 70 years later and lots of great records from 10 years ago are pretty much forgotten or languish in obscurity. You're taking <ovf censored> when you say those artists' songs won't be remembered in x amount of years. Billie Eilish has sold over 5 million albums and that's to a generation that download in massive amounts, and Kendrick Lamar has sold thirty five million. Yep. 35,000,000. I can pretty much guarantee that you are completely out of touch and are chatting <ovf censored>.

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You've answered your own question there.
People still remember Spice Girls and Britney Spears songs 25 or so years on and I'm sure they will in another 25 years. Abba were frequently dismissed as pap. Lots of records are still remembered 50, 60, 70 years later and lots of great records from 10 years ago are pretty much forgotten or languish in obscurity. You're taking when you say those artists' songs won't be remembered in x amount of years. Billie Eilish has sold over 5 million albums and that's to a generation that download in massive amounts, and Kendrick Lamar has sold thirty five million. Yep. 35,000,000. I can pretty much guarantee that you are completely out of touch and are chatting .


You're being quite aggressive here. What's your issue?

There are lots of current artists who I think write good melodies and will have longevity. I'm talking about these 2 specifically...the music has taken a back seat over their image. The Spice Girls, ABBA, Queen, Elton John, all who are not really my thing can craft a decent song with a hook or a melody. It's actually quite insulting that you feel Eilish has more right to be a Glastonbury headliner against possibly the greatest songwriter of all time.

Hip hop and rap is huge in the states, so those sorts of figures don't surprise me out of a population of nearly 300 million people. I'm not having a go at him specifically as I actually quite like some rap music but the set consisted of some silly dancing and him shouting over a pre recorded backing track. That's not worthy of a headline slot at the world's biggest music festival. Eilish did the same, pre recorded stuff to dub over...it's just not good enough.

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1 hour ago, leedsvaliant said:


 

 


 He doesn't need the style and gimmicks of Eilish as his tunes stand the test of time. Eilish and her ilk require a 'show ' because their songs are so weak.

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(Old) People used to say the same about Queen and Pink Floyd back in the day too. 
 

they certainly aren’t weak songs and I’m not even a fan but as a lifelong musician I can appreciate how well put together they are. 

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(Old) People used to say the same about Queen and Pink Floyd back in the day too. 
 
they certainly aren’t weak songs and I’m not even a fan but as a lifelong musician I can appreciate how well put together they are. 


Queen and Pink Floyd had the songs to back up any gimmicks. That's the difference. My nan died at 96 last year, and she loved The Beatles and The Stones and she was in her 40s when they were popular. This notion that older people have always rubbished current music is a lie. I like lots of current music.

They are weak songs, they meander and have no real melody. Just pretty depressing to be honest. The only song with a half decent hook is 'bad guy' but it's hardly Bohemian Rhapsody is it?

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Stating that someone's taking is not being aggressive.
It is really. Your position from the outset was one of aggression and using swear words. I just simply had an opinion. You can debate and disagree but no need to be so aggressive with it. It's your opinion that I'm talking <ovf censored>, not a fact.

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Saying that you are talking <ovf censored> is not aggression, you silly man. It's merely saying that you are talking <ovf censored>. You seem pretty happy to pass off your opinion as fact when you feel like it too.

I don't particularly like Kendrick Lamar's music but to deride one of the world's best selling and most popular rap artists as "style over substance" is cringey <ovf censored>. To say that no-one will remember Billie Eilish (one of the most popular female artists on the planet) in 50 years when people still remember Joe <ovf censored> Dolce is laughable.

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Saying that you are talking is not aggression, you silly man. It's merely saying that you are talking . You seem pretty happy to pass off your opinion as fact when you feel like it too.
I don't particularly like Kendrick Lamar's music but to deride one of the world's best selling and most popular rap artists as "style over substance" is cringey . To say that no-one will remember Billie Eilish (one of the most popular female artists on the planet) in 50 years when people still remember Joe Dolce is laughable.
There you go again with insults! I think you need to calm down a bit.

Rap is not my thing but to me there are far better rap artists out there than that pap. Fine for him to perform at Glastonbury but not as the closing headline act.

As for Eilish, we'll see. According to Wikipedia she's done 2 albums. Way too early to discern whether she's any good and certainly too early to be the headline spot. Kanye West I could understand but I think the line up this year was as poor as I can remember.

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Queen and Pink Floyd had the songs to back up any gimmicks. That's the difference. My nan died at 96 last year, and she loved The Beatles and The Stones and she was in her 40s when they were popular. This notion that older people have always rubbished current music is a lie. I like lots of current music.

They are weak songs, they meander and have no real melody. Just pretty depressing to be honest. The only song with a half decent hook is 'bad guy' but it's hardly Bohemian Rhapsody is it?

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In your opinion they are weak songs. In the opinion of hundreds of millions of other people they are not. Plenty of older people would have thought bohemian rhapsody is no Perry Como. 

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In your opinion they are weak songs. In the opinion of hundreds of millions of other people they are not. Plenty of older people would have thought bohemian rhapsody is no Perry Como. 
It seems like my opinion resonates with others. Did you see the size of the crowd for Lamar? There was so much space. Previous worthy headliners like The Stones, Oasis, Radiohead the people were packed in. You couldn't see any space for miles.

I'm willing to place a bet now that nobody will be singing Billie Eilish songs in 50 years time. That to me is the testament of good music. The world's biggest festival should do better for headliners. Jay Z I could understand, Kanye West I could understand....they had a back catalogue and global presence and I had heard of them. I asked among friends, some who are younger than me, and nobody had heard of Lamar. Like I say, I don't mind the guy playing at Glastonbury, it should be diverse musical tastes, but as a headline act? I'm not convinced and based on the crowd he attracted, neither were the attendees...there looked like more watching the Pet Shop Boys!

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I thought his last song in particular was incredible. Really powerful stuff.
Reviews seem to be glowing too. NME, Independent, Telegraph, Guardian all give 4 or 5 stars out of 5.
The media generally always tag on to anything that appears a la mode in order to remain relevant.

I feel like some people pretend to like this stuff to look edgy and down with the kids.

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