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6 hours ago, For Us All said:

Spot on,he would have learnt a lot about second rate players after experimenting last night along with Italy and France.

The current European Champions and World Champions can afford to be slack having experienced success and in Italy's case having absolutely nothing to build for.

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11 hours ago, Warren said:

All the players should have been on holiday a month ago to rest up for the new season. McGuire is defending like he has had a Microsoft update that has gone badly wrong and crashed the video card. 

If the World Cup wasn’t in Qatar they’d be playing in it now and I don’t buy into to this b- locks they’re tired 

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36 minutes ago, Stockleys_socks said:

Any other country gets to a semi final and final of a major tournament and we wonder why we can't be like them. England do it and we're lucky?

We had arguably the easiest run to the final of any finalist for years and failed to get to the World Cup Final having dismal against Tunisia, Panama, Belgium, Colombia and Croatia. Then against Belgium again. For the Euros Final we made very hard work of it to get there. Then Italy absolutely battered us. Here is Southgate's major tournament record:

Major Tournament record:

Tunisia - Diabolical performance

Panama - Good for 45 minutes in a Man City v Boston equivalent in rankings, second half was garbage

Belgium - Pitiful

Colombia - Very lucky to get penalties, even luckier to win

Sweden - OK against possibly the worst Swedish team we have played in 70 years

Croatia - Struggled after the 5th minute, deserved nothing

Belgium - Again, a half decent team showed us up

Euros:

Croatia - Struggled against an aging Croatia team

Scotland - No balls, scared, typical defensive garbage

Czech Republic - Very little improvement, slightly more attacking line up, just stumbled over the line

Germany - P 1 5 5 poor for 74 minutes, then unbelievable scenes for once. Germany at their worst for a while. England deserved this one

Ukraine - Run of the mill routine victory, no complaints

Denmark - Typical defensive nervousness. Then at 2-1 we were battering them and Southgate goes all defensive again

Italy - After the 4th minute this turned into one of the worst performances of the last two tournaments. 63% Italian possession, at home. Then brings on 3 expert penalty takers in the last minute. This should have been the final nail even Croatia in the last tournament wasn't.

So out of those 14 games we looked comfortable against Sweden, Ukraine, and Germany for 16 minutes, oh and World minnows Panama for 45 minutes. Yet people think Southgate is the messiah.

I will be surprised if we make it past the second round of the World Cup, USA and Wales wont be easy to beat.

 

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15 hours ago, Coyney Valiant said:

If the World Cup wasn’t in Qatar they’d be playing in it now and I don’t buy into to this b- locks they’re tired 

Well that is a good argument. But given performance on the field I then have to go to several players were not trying hard enough and particularly in keeping the pace of the game high in the two Hungary games. 

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14 hours ago, MelbourneValiant said:

We had arguably the easiest run to the final of any finalist for years and failed to get to the World Cup Final having dismal against Tunisia, Panama, Belgium, Colombia and Croatia. Then against Belgium again. For the Euros Final we made very hard work of it to get there. Then Italy absolutely battered us. Here is Southgate's major tournament record:

Major Tournament record:

 

Tunisia - Diabolical performance

 

Panama - Good for 45 minutes in a Man City v Boston equivalent in rankings, second half was garbage

 

Belgium - Pitiful

 

Colombia - Very lucky to get penalties, even luckier to win

 

Sweden - OK against possibly the worst Swedish team we have played in 70 years

 

Croatia - Struggled after the 5th minute, deserved nothing

 

Belgium - Again, a half decent team showed us up

 

Euros:

 

Croatia - Struggled against an aging Croatia team

 

Scotland - No balls, scared, typical defensive garbage

 

Czech Republic - Very little improvement, slightly more attacking line up, just stumbled over the line

 

Germany - P 1 5 5 poor for 74 minutes, then unbelievable scenes for once. Germany at their worst for a while. England deserved this one

 

Ukraine - Run of the mill routine victory, no complaints

 

Denmark - Typical defensive nervousness. Then at 2-1 we were battering them and Southgate goes all defensive again

 

Italy - After the 4th minute this turned into one of the worst performances of the last two tournaments. 63% Italian possession, at home. Then brings on 3 expert penalty takers in the last minute. This should have been the final nail even Croatia in the last tournament wasn't.

 

So out of those 14 games we looked comfortable against Sweden, Ukraine, and Germany for 16 minutes, oh and World minnows Panama for 45 minutes. Yet people think Southgate is the messiah.

 

I will be surprised if we make it past the second round of the World Cup, USA and Wales wont be easy to beat.

 

 

We have got good strikers and that means we can get away with quite a lot. To be honest I'm not seeing any great sides. They all lose to Brazil 1970. 

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Unlike normal managerial positions you need 2 strong attributes to be an England manager.

1) Be able to handle the press, act like a statesman, bring unity to a bunch of pre Madonna’s who would rather be playing for their clubs where all their mates are

2) The normal attributes for a good manager, best team selection, right formation, correct tactics, well planned substitutions.

Southgate is excellent at number 1, but bloody awful at number 2, Division 1 standard at best.

A good example of a complete opposite would be Graham Taylor, great club manager crucified by the press when in the England job.

If we ever get a manager who is excellent at both 1 & 2 we may well win something. Southgate will go after the World Cup and if I’m a beefing man Eddie Howe will be the next England manager.

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On 16/06/2022 at 09:07, MelbourneValiant said:

We had arguably the easiest run to the final of any finalist for years and failed to get to the World Cup Final having dismal against Tunisia, Panama, Belgium, Colombia and Croatia. Then against Belgium again. For the Euros Final we made very hard work of it to get there. Then Italy absolutely battered us. Here is Southgate's major tournament record:

Major Tournament record:

 

Tunisia - Diabolical performance

 

Panama - Good for 45 minutes in a Man City v Boston equivalent in rankings, second half was garbage

 

Belgium - Pitiful

 

Colombia - Very lucky to get penalties, even luckier to win

 

Sweden - OK against possibly the worst Swedish team we have played in 70 years

 

Croatia - Struggled after the 5th minute, deserved nothing

 

Belgium - Again, a half decent team showed us up

 

Euros:

 

Croatia - Struggled against an aging Croatia team

 

Scotland - No balls, scared, typical defensive garbage

 

Czech Republic - Very little improvement, slightly more attacking line up, just stumbled over the line

 

Germany - P 1 5 5 poor for 74 minutes, then unbelievable scenes for once. Germany at their worst for a while. England deserved this one

 

Ukraine - Run of the mill routine victory, no complaints

 

Denmark - Typical defensive nervousness. Then at 2-1 we were battering them and Southgate goes all defensive again

 

Italy - After the 4th minute this turned into one of the worst performances of the last two tournaments. 63% Italian possession, at home. Then brings on 3 expert penalty takers in the last minute. This should have been the final nail even Croatia in the last tournament wasn't.

 

So out of those 14 games we looked comfortable against Sweden, Ukraine, and Germany for 16 minutes, oh and World minnows Panama for 45 minutes. Yet people think Southgate is the messiah.

 

I will be surprised if we make it past the second round of the World Cup, USA and Wales wont be easy to beat.

 

 

This post is so far off the mark. Watch some of those games again. We only won because the other teams were the worst they’ve been for years etc. What is wrong with some England fans? 
 

We have lost a couple of what are essentially friendlies at the back end of a very long season for most of our players. Hungary season finished on 9th may and they played 33 games compared to some of ours playing 50ish and finishing a couple of weeks ago. It is Hungary’s final and their players chance to get spotted on the big stage. Wonder if some of the knicker wetters  for England are the same who wanted flitcroft gone in January and shouted season over in February? 

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Hungarys final? What about the fixture at home? Or we’re both finals? Not having this tired rubbish. They’re pro footballers, if you look at the team we selected the majority didn’t play 50 games. I really don’t buy that Hungary finishing a few weeks before us somehow gives them a huge advantage and makes 0-4 ok  

Southgate is and always has been far too negative. you should be able to beat a side like Hungary at home with a 2nd string 11, no need for the 2 CDMs. The players are a complete joke, rallying around Southgate saying he’s a great manager, I think they just have forgotten they are the ones who turned out that rubbish the last 4 games. 

Personally. 0 goals from open play in 4 I think it’s pretty indefensible. Listened to Talk Sport the other day. Imagine the reacting of Scotland got hammered at home to Hungary. Why is it ok for us? It was an embarrassing defeat and Southgate needs to change tactically ASAP and stop picking players blatantly not up to it. 
 

Round 16 exit at World Cup as we will actually play a half decent side 

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9 minutes ago, valiant_593 said:

Hungarys final? What about the fixture at home? Or we’re both finals? Not having this tired rubbish. They’re pro footballers, if you look at the team we selected the majority didn’t play 50 games. I really don’t buy that Hungary finishing a few weeks before us somehow gives them a huge advantage and makes 0-4 ok  

Southgate is and always has been far too negative. you should be able to beat a side like Hungary at home with a 2nd string 11, no need for the 2 CDMs. The players are a complete joke, rallying around Southgate saying he’s a great manager, I think they just have forgotten they are the ones who turned out that rubbish the last 4 games. 

Personally. 0 goals from open play in 4 I think it’s pretty indefensible. Listened to Talk Sport the other day. Imagine the reacting of Scotland got hammered at home to Hungary. Why is it ok for us? It was an embarrassing defeat and Southgate needs to change tactically ASAP and stop picking players blatantly not up to it. 
 

Round 16 exit at World Cup as we will actually play a half decent side 

No surprises this comes from the guy who said season over after we went 1 down at Colchester. Do you think sometimes you might be a little too negative? 
All of the same things were trotted out pre World Cup which we got to the semis in and pre euros which we got to the final in. No other English manager ever has achieved that. Yes the defeats weren’t good to watch but the guy has credit in the bank and it’s only people who over react that are seeing it as anything else. 

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