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It would be absolute madness to return Vale fans to the Bycars hellhole now. It's got to be easier to police that. 

We could make it the home end regardless of whether the club listen or not, we could go in the Hamil every week anyway and just tell the away fans to budge over to one side.

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I was in the Paddock down the Hamil End and it was great having Vale in the Hamil, it made the atmosphere so much better and the paddock also reacted to that noise themselves.

Down the bottom end you couldn't even hear the Swindon fans at all, possibly they were not singing much but if they were it shows how poor the acoustics for home fans are with us in the Bycars.

 

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It was fantastic. As someone who's spent the last 20 years in the Paddock and Stand, I would happily move permanently to the Hamil given the opportunity.

The views are far better than I thought they would be. Even with half as many as last night, it'd still improve the atmosphere tenfold. The concourse, the access, the toilets, the sightlines. I could go on. But it's all a million miles better than Railway or Bycars and it's criminal that we've been giving that to 200 away fans whilst we've been getting a 1960's experience in the home ends.

One thing that is so apparent from there is the distance from the Railway to the pitch. It's ridiculous. We stand in there thinking we're making a huge racket and yet none of it comes out onto the pitch because you're half a mile away from it. You could literally build a new stand in front of the existing Railway, without knocking it down. 

For those saying we can't afford to lose the revenue from not maximising away fans numbers, I'd argue that a vocal home end (ie. the Hamil) would genuinely be worth 6-10 points per season to us - which could be the difference between playing in the 3rd and 4th tier. That's far more than important than <50k in revenue by allowing Sheff Wed and Derby 4.5k instead of 3k. 

 

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Brilliant acoustics in the hamil but as a one the whole ground was encouraging sky bloke said Vale fans making it sound like 80 000 you can keep your plastic prem clubs that's support everyone on there feet singing all game .
Love the hamil I'd get a season ticket in there that's should be Vales home end UTV

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Having away fans park at Dimensions is much better than them coming down Hamil Road. The issues post Oldham were caused by poor policing of hostile fans at a bottleneck. Would largely remove this issue. 

Last night the atmosphere was as good as it's ever been at Vale, but we aren't going to get 4k in that stand every week. A cheaper ticket offering, heavily incentivised towards younger fans, could help this.

Would be excellent for Tommy's and you could put the fanzone in Hamil Stand car park, as it was for the Beamback. You could create a real pre-match hub wrapping around from club shop, fanzone, and Tommy's, with away fans out of sight. 

Was also pleased to see the club had opened a gate by the Paddock and had two extra scanners there. Common sense.

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4 hours ago, Joe B said:

Having away fans park at Dimensions is much better than them coming down Hamil Road

Is that where they put the coaches too? That's not a bad shout if the Bycars is made the away end in the future.

Logically, it would be good to have both the Railway and Hamil as Vale stands. They are both close to the shop, ticket office and the fan zone plus for those who want a beer it would mean Tommy Cheadle's becoming a home pub again. 

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5 hours ago, Rory said:

It would be absolute madness to return Vale fans to the Bycars hellhole now. It's got to be easier to police that. 

We could make it the home end regardless of whether the club listen or not, we could go in the Hamil every week anyway and just tell the away fans to budge over to one side.

How do you think you will get tickets for the away end!!!

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1 hour ago, robf said:

Is that where they put the coaches too? That's not a bad shout if the Bycars is made the away end in the future.

Logically, it would be good to have both the Railway and Hamil as Vale stands. They are both close to the shop, ticket office and the fan zone plus for those who want a beer it would mean Tommy Cheadle's becoming a home pub again. 

Getting to the back of Dimensions might be tricky for a coach, it looks quite quite tight. There's a 90 degree turn involved.

It might be possible for away coaches to park in the gated off bit of Synectics, at the back where the actual building is, and then have a pedestrian gate there to marshall away fans straight to Bycars lane. It would necessitate moving stewards and police to both ends of Bycars lane and around the corner into where the family stand turnstiles are, as otherwise you could have a tight fenced in bottleneck where fans queueing for the railway are enclosed next to away fans.

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4 minutes ago, Doha said:

Getting to the back of Dimensions might be tricky for a coach, it looks quite quite tight. There's a 90 degree turn involved.

It might be possible for away coaches to park in the gated off bit of Synectics, at the back where the actual building is, and then have a pedestrian gate there to marshall away fans straight to Bycars lane. It would necessitate moving stewards and police to both ends of Bycars lane and around the corner into where the family stand turnstiles are, as otherwise you could have a tight fenced in bottleneck where fans queueing for the railway are enclosed next to away fans.

You could park the coaches along Scotia Road.  Loads of room there.

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1 hour ago, mbycars said:

How do you think you will get tickets for the away end!!!

The same way we always get tickets Pinky. Queue up in the car park. 

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2 hours ago, robf said:

Is that where they put the coaches too? That's not a bad shout if the Bycars is made the away end in the future.

Logically, it would be good to have both the Railway and Hamil as Vale stands. They are both close to the shop, ticket office and the fan zone plus for those who want a beer it would mean Tommy Cheadle's becoming a home pub again. 

I'm sold 👍

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9 hours ago, The man in the pub said:
14 hours ago, fuzzyvalefan said:
The only thing i would say is that if we are in League 1 we really want to get the big away followings in for the big clubs like Derby, Sheffield Wednesday etc to get the revenue.  In League 1, realistically how many times are we going to fill the Hamill compared to how many revenue boosts from big away followings we would get.  Maybe make the Hamill the home end but consider a switch for the handful of massive away followings.

How many does the Bycars hold ? I'm sure provision could be made to sell beer in that end too. Am I right in thinking The Blue one sold the catering off to a 3rd party and Vale currently don't benefit from beer sales inside the ground ?

The club would have to build a bar to sell beer which has not got a view of the pitch.

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6 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

The club would have to build a bar to sell beer which has not got a view of the pitch.

Why can't the beer see the pitch? :wink:

More seriously could they maybe drop it down the steps near the turnstiles/exit for the Bycars? Is there room there for something?

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11 hours ago, Guitar Ray said:

I’ve been in the Bycars every single year since it was redeveloped and I’d move to the Hamil quite happily simply for the better facilities but put your normal Bycars crowd in there and it’d be pretty empty.  Also it leaves the fans in the current half finished Lorne Street pretty isolated.  Nowadays the Bycars crowd sits more packed towards the Lorne Street so it’s a bit joined up so to speak.  It’d be interesting to hear what those sat in the Lorne Street thought of it last night.

We sit in Lorne st close to Bycars and could hear alot of noise from the Swindon fans. Where we sit we could hear the Railway singing but not the Hamil, who obviously were.

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4 hours ago, robf said:

Is that where they put the coaches too? That's not a bad shout if the Bycars is made the away end in the future.

Logically, it would be good to have both the Railway and Hamil as Vale stands. They are both close to the shop, ticket office and the fan zone plus for those who want a beer it would mean Tommy Cheadle's becoming a home pub again. 

Facilities so much better too Rob last time I went in the Hamil end. What club other than us puts away fans in probably our best end.

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