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So why ain’t the club or supporters club giving him a proper send off that will surely only help both parties involved after all he is one of us 
They are, it's been talked about at numerous supporters club meetings and Mark porter talked about it on the Ale and Vale podcast. Testimonial to be played one Sunday near to or just after the start of the season.
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I’ve heard there’s been a bit of resistance towards Flitcroft since he’s been at Vale, particularly with the changes he wants to make with the academy. Whether things needed shaking up anyway is potentially a matter for debate but he certainly ccamt be worried about making too many friends.
As for Pope, I liked the things he did as a footballer but I have zero interest in what he has to say. 
From memory, the academy has produced four decent established first team players in my time (Smith, Gibbons, Paynter and Birchall). Charlie Raglan, Morsy and Prosser have had decent careers since leaving us.

If ever an academy needed a shake up, it's ours.

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9 minutes ago, Walka003 said:

From memory, the academy has produced four decent established first team players in my time (Smith, Gibbons, Paynter and Birchall). Charlie Raglan, Morsy and Prosser have had decent careers since leaving us.

If ever an academy needed a shake up, it's ours.
 

That’s pretty sobering to think that gibbo is the last one to make it and we’ve had no one in what 5 years since he came through.

 

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46 minutes ago, Packmoor_vale said:
So why ain’t the club or supporters club giving him a proper send off that will surely only help both parties involved after all he is one of us 

They are, it's been talked about at numerous supporters club meetings and Mark porter talked about it on the Ale and Vale podcast. Testimonial to be played one Sunday near to or just after the start of the season.

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8 hours ago, butt lane vale fan said:

In other words mate, just because Pope slated Flitcroft, do certain fans now share the same view, just because Tom says so, without using a rational judgement. Thus causing division in the club and fan base.

Pope is quick to have little digs at management over Mckirdy but never once had a dig at Adams for basically doing the same with Roberts.

In my view Adams was correct to ship Roberts out just the same as Clarke was right to get rid of Mckirdy.

The only question I'd like answered is; was McKirdy shipped out for playing reasons or, because of an attitude problem?  If it's the former, (after all, he hadn't exactly set Vale Park alight) then for my money that's acceptable, if it's because he was a bit of a handful in the dressing room, then in my book, that's an abdication of management responsibility as I always feltthat  he showed some good promise--and no, I'm not just saying that now, I did genuinely feel it at that time.

However, I guess that's the nature of football--some players will inevitably 'slip through the net' occasionally at whatever level.

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1 hour ago, Packmoor_vale said:

So why ain’t the club or supporters club giving him a proper send off that will surely only help both parties involved after all he is one of us 

If he keeps going as he is doing, it won't matter because no one will turn up anyway. 12 months ago I would have been there without thinking, now ... its in the balance tbh. Proper legends like John Rudge - I would walk on broken glass for the man.

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There was a bit in the Ale and the Vale podcast last summer which I don't think I'll ever forget when I think of Pope. He said "If they get promotion next season...which they won't." 

I think it says everything you need to know about how bitter he is. I understand he must have been wrestling with the feeling that he is getting near the end of his time as a footballer but don't say you're a Vale supporter if you're going to gloat if they don't get out of the league. 
 

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52 minutes ago, PV1973 said:

That’s pretty sobering to think that gibbo is the last one to make it and we’ve had no one in what 5 years since he came through.

 

Who was the kid we lost to Man City? 

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Think he has insighted some of the negative feeling about the club from certain fans here at a time where things should be unbelievably positive compared to the last 10 years. 

 

I wouldn't attend a game for TP anymore sorry. 

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6 minutes ago, Emile said:

Think he has insighted some of the negative feeling about the club from certain fans here at a time where things should be unbelievably positive compared to the last 10 years. 

 

I wouldn't attend a game for TP anymore sorry. 

Me neither. I don’t think many would now either. The bloke is a tool. 

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1 hour ago, Dr Delgado said:

Its also strange how people purport to be Vale fans to gain favour to further their own ends. Is Mo Chaudrey a real Vale fan? Do I remember him leading the singing in the paddock?

I agree with everything you say apart from this sentence - I don't think Mo ever purported to be a Vale fan, but attended games when he looked to buy the club as any sensible investor would do prior to investing millions of pounds.

On Pope, Santa made an excellent post after his podcast last summer in which he very accurately picked up the sadness/bitterness in him having gone from local hero to nothing overnight. In a way it's understandable but he isn't doing himself any favours in the way in which he's handling it.

He could have easily got a nice job in the academy alongside his Congleton duties, with match-day hospitality, if he'd come out and thanked the club and kept on good terms. He's engaged in a bit of self-flagellation and seems to be doubling down. I personally won't attend a testimonial for him but that's simply because I've moved on from Pope.

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17 minutes ago, Joe B said:

I agree with everything you say apart from this sentence - I don't think Mo ever purported to be a Vale fan, but attended games when he looked to buy the club as any sensible investor would do prior to investing millions of pounds.

On Pope, Santa made an excellent post after his podcast last summer in which he very accurately picked up the sadness/bitterness of him having gone from local hero to nothing overnight. In a way it's understandable but he isn't doing himself any favours in the way in which he's handling it.

He could have easily got a nice job in the academy alongside his Congleton duties, with match-day hospitality, if he'd come out and thanked the club and kept on good terms. He's engaged in a bit of self-flagellation and seems to be doubling down. I personally won't attend a testimonial for him but that's simply because I've moved on from Pope.

I'm happy to be corrected with regard to Chaudry, I may have confused him for a so called fan with his black and gold scarf campaign and so forth.

I firmly believe that we are now in the hands of owners who truly love our club and more importantly they have an understanding who it really belongs to. I know that fans can feel offended by a certain owner or manager but first and foremost the club comes first, that's why we have survived, we have had some dreadful managers and owners but we as fans believe in our club. Pope should be applauded not lauded, he should be welcomed at Vale Park but when it comes to the red carpet there would be one or two ahead of him in the queue (if in the unlikely event I was making the list).

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46 minutes ago, Emile said:

Think he has insighted some of the negative feeling about the club from certain fans here at a time where things should be unbelievably positive compared to the last 10 years. 

 

I wouldn't attend a game for TP anymore sorry. 

Nothing to be sorry for.  I also will not attend, nor will any others of my 7 strong family group of season ticket holders.

As he himself revealed in his podcast his standards of professionalism once it wasn’t ‘all about him’ dropped significantly in terms of mid week drinking / general lifestyle and poor preparation because there was ‘no point’ as he knew he wasn’t guaranteed 90 minutes on a Saturday.  Compare this to Mel Benning - bit part player first half of the season, bombed out after the signing of Hussey in January, and yet  has come back in and played superbly in the last 2 months by keeping himself in shape ready to take any glimmer of opportunity.

Decent overall career goals record, but if you exclude the magnificent promotion return pretty average overall - and his tally on his return included penalties.  This with a team structure built all around him.

Since his understandable release (higher wage earner/ vastly diminishing goal return / poor attitude around the club as unable to accept Old Father Time had reduced his effectiveness / inability to run to play the pressing game DC wants / and that’s before you get to his injury!) he has happily talked down players from that era and the current squad.  I assume he has not set foot in the club since, and I take it all his ‘hangers on’ have stopped attending also now freebies not on offer.

In summary a sad end to his relationship with PVFC - local lad done well, but could not accept his time was up, and not got the good grace to express his disappointment whilst still showing his affection for ‘his club’.  For me I would not want him around the club as any sort of ambassador.

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I never really liked Pope when he was a player at the Vale - obviously liked what he did for the team, but always thought he was a knob. Everything he’s done since his retirement has furthered that view. 

Quite funny really thinking back to his interview when he was slagging off Flitcroft and Clarke, saying Joyce was better than Walker etc. Look where we are now. He looks a right mug. He’s just a bitter man who I do not have the time of day for. No chance I’m going his testimonial and giving him money for beer and fags, I’d sooner flush 20 quid down the toilet.

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55 minutes ago, darren1810 said:

I think the tweet with the sideswipe at Conlon is pretty disgusting.

The same Conlon who has been scouting , the same Conlon who has come onto a few away pitches on his crutches to thank the away support. 

That Conlon eh Tom ?

Absolutely no need for those comments, obviously i don't know Conlon from Adam but from his interviews and demeanour and the way folk speak of him is the very reason he is captain and a worthy one at that. 

Certainly a more worthy captain than Pope. Best thing Askey did was take away the captaincy from him.

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