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1 hour ago, bycars rob said:

These days there are a lot of supporters who have not played much sport and little if any proper football. Years ago there were many leagues on Saturday and Sunday which gave people an insight into what players go through and more empathy.

Thats a good point ... championship manager and televised highest level Premiership / European games have made people forget the extra challenges lower leagues teams face  where smaller squads and less quality often means them taking a risk on unfit player or players out of position.

I also think the internet has helped polarise opinions and once a person has put something out there they feel duty bound to defend it and "prove"  their initial statement (criticism) as correct

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3 hours ago, MBE said:

I don't want the James Wilson from Northampton away opening day of the season.

If he's going to play like Wembley James Wilson will be OK though.

Whichever James Wilson we get his miss at Cobblers from a yard or two out wasn’t the only one.  Someone will now defend James and say, “Yes, but he was our top scorer”, or, “At least he keeps getting into those positions”.  Both statements are true of course.

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Did we know that we were in negotiations to sign Cass permanently last January, and that the deal was virtually over the line but the injury curtailed that?  Just read that in Newcastle World Twitter post.

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29 minutes ago, SFBT said:

I become very selective in my visits to OVF.

I love constructive, open, non judgemental conversations, where people are curious and wanting to learn.

Once the naysayers get a grip, with their critical closed minds, I disappear.

Not worth the effort.

Sadly you won’t read this reply then, you’ll already have drifted on, back to your…er….happy place.

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5 hours ago, robf said:

@darren1810 I thoroughly agree with you on the management of players. I'm not sure if it only happens at Vale but I do find it odd that some fans expect everyone to go from zero to a hundred when they enter the pitch.

  • We sign a loan player and he gets two days training with the squad - then there's complaints he isn't picked - it's because he won't be used to his colleagues to their runs etc. 
  • A player comes back from injury (such as Wilson against Brentford) struggles a bit and he's labelled "lazy" rather than it being him adjusting to the pace
  • A player is playing through the pain (and probably horrible injections and all sorts) such as Worrall and Proctor and they are labelled as being "rubbish" during that time

 

Football is a squad game and next season that means a possibility of 16 players playing a part. Team management will be crucial, let’s have 11 players on the pitch giving 110% for 90 minutes. Taking a leaf from Eddie Jones, we may have 11 starters and five finishers. So important that we have quality cover in every position.

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4 hours ago, Valiant in Brum said:

A large number are also the fifa generation. Who only see the logistics of football from that view.

I’m from the Pro Evo generation.

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14 minutes ago, efsb said:

Vital Football reckons Freddy Woodman might be on his way to us on loan -

NEWCASTLE.VITALFOOTBALL.CO.UK

 

Will say this it’s very definitive about him coming to us on loan. Be a great move if it happens and who knows maybe Newcastle will have been impressed by how we looked after Lewis Cass and he’s given us a good reference.

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1 hour ago, jeffers said:

Football is a squad game and next season that means a possibility of 16 players playing a part. Team management will be crucial, let’s have 11 players on the pitch giving 110% for 90 minutes. Taking a leaf from Eddie Jones, we may have 11 starters and five finishers. So important that we have quality cover in every position.

I agree that we need quality in depth and it would appear that DC tends to opt for quality over quantity, which is fine when we have a fully fit squad. What I wouldn’t like to see is, should we have a bad run of injuries and we are the wrong end of the table, it’s a lot more difficult to sustain than if you have the cushion of a few points in the bag. I certainly think we need another quality midfielder along with a couple of strikers, now I don’t mind if one of the In coming strikers is a young loan prospect, providing the other has some experience. I’m not too worried about the defence but maybe another centre back would ensure competition for places. I’m really not sure what to think when it comes to our goalkeepers.

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13 minutes ago, efsb said:

Vital Football reckons Freddy Woodman might be on his way to us on loan -

NEWCASTLE.VITALFOOTBALL.CO.UK

 

I saw that rumour on Twitter earlier.

Seems an unlikely one at first glance but having said that Newcastle know we will play and look after him with our track record last season.

Whatever happens It’s brilliant to be linked to a player with this pedigree, assuming no smoke without fire.

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7 minutes ago, MBE said:

I saw that rumour on Twitter earlier.

Seems an unlikely one at first glance but having said that Newcastle know we will play and look after him with our track record last season.

Whatever happens It’s brilliant to be linked to a player with this pedigree, assuming no smoke without fire.

Unofficial Vale also picked up on that but I think it's a typo. 

If you look up Freddie Woodman, there's a near done-deal with Preston

I think Vital Football have just had a mind freeze and typed "Port Vale" instead of "Preston" and lo and behold, a rumour emerges...

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12 hours ago, Biddulph_PV said:

I saw it differently, I thought he managed it very well a) because of fitness as against Swindle and Mansfield he did understandably tire and b) Charsley’s energy in chasing down was needed at that point to stop the oppo’s trying to build any momentum. Irrespective, I think this pre-season is a big one for JT, he should be full of confidence after Wembley and I think that if he comes back fit then he’ll start next year.

BPV, To some extent I agree, particularly the fitness and match fitness. However after JT's cameo appearance against Hartlepool it seemed he was made somewhat of a scapegoat for the Bristol Rovers defeat, Bristol Rovers played very well that day and JT did not feature in the next two games vs Walsall and Newport, both very different teams than the Gas and both very winnable. 

IMHO both games were crying out for a player like JT as Vale had little creativity and no pattern to their play. Against Newport Finn Azaz who's a similar skill type player took us apart and JT was sat on the bench twiddling his thumbs in both games. We watched 5-10 yard square and back passes and Vale chasing shadows.

This was in addition to Taylor being ousted after 2-3 games when DC first came to Vale never to be seen again that season although there were reports that he was injured. At the start of the 2021/22 season he was on the bench and hardly got a look in but when he came on for the last 30...ish mins against Crawley (?) and in the FA Cup against Accrington he played some excellent passes from midfield, particularly to George Lloyd. Against Rochdale and Liverpool U23's he was excellent but then back on the bench hardly to play and then the long lay off due to injury. So my point that DC/AC may not "Trust" JT goes back more that the run in to the end of the season.

I would have though skill will be at more of a premium in Lge 1, Taylor showed under Askey that he's a skilled player and has confirmed that under DC/AC and he's willing to do the dirty work as well. Some of JT's touches and vision at Wembley were worthy of a much higher level of football, the pass out to Worrall which set in motion the play for the 2nd goal and the Cruyff turn and pass out to Benning were simply brilliant.

I hope/don't think Taylor would go to Morecombe (If there's anything in this rumor), I perceive they are a club on the way down whereas Vale under The Shanahan's leadership are a club on the up and I hope Taylor is part of it although he does need games. I want to see the team do well but also see the "Wembley skill" whether it be from JT or cultured defensive play from Connor Hall or the runs and touches from James Wilson when watching the Vale week in week out.

 

 

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