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Whether the reports about Jake Taylor and Morecombe are true or not I thought something like this may happen. DC/AC don't seem to "Trust" JT given the few minutes he played last year when fit and when he was fit and started, pulled him off after ca 60 mins. I don't know whether "Trust" is the right word but there's something there.

JT is at that stage of his career where he needs a consistent run of games to show what he can do and his in and out of the team experience last season when fit must still be in his mind and that's the only thing I can think of why he'd leave the Vale, all other things being equal (some are better at Vale).

I guess most if not all players at Vale are for sale if the price is right but I can't imagine the likes of Morecombe paying any sizable fee so his only reason for going there would be "Guaranteed" game time.

I'm a fan of Jake Taylor and hope he stays at Vale, when he came on for short periods of time at the beginning of the season and especially in the final run in he showed the creative talent/passing ability he has and the willingness to defend. It must take some fortitude to come back from lengthy injury and step into the final games/play-off pressure and perform well knowing that the management team may not have full confidence in him..

Tom Conlon and Jake Taylor can easily play in the same team together alongside a solid defensive midfield player, they did under John Askey. JT's best position is as an attacking midfield player but the question then is what happens to Garrity? As much as Garrity has done a fantastic job at Vale I can't see him scoring 12 goals next season, so some interesting decisions for DC/AC.

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5 hours ago, Paul6754 said:

Whether the reports about Jake Taylor and Morecombe are true or not I thought something like this may happen. DC/AC don't seem to "Trust" JT given the few minutes he played last year when fit and when he was fit and started, pulled him off after ca 60 mins. I don't know whether "Trust" is the right word but there's something there.

I saw it differently, I thought he managed it very well a) because of fitness as against Swindle and Mansfield he did understandably tire and b) Charsley’s energy in chasing down was needed at that point to stop the oppo’s trying to build any momentum. Irrespective, I think this pre-season is a big one for JT, he should be full of confidence after Wembley and I think that if he comes back fit then he’ll start next year.

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7 hours ago, Biddulph_PV said:

I can’t help but think about Sproson’s ridiculous remarks on one commentary bemoaning the fact that Taylor wasn’t  playing and basically saying he’d reassess in the Summer.

I remember that comment, PS was an idiot saying that - at the time JT was injured anyway if I recall correctly, and even if he wasn't, any fit player who isn't playing should be unhappy. 

Personally, I think he could well be a major player for us next season, and all these moaning how crap he was against Bristol should remember as other good posts have said that it was pretty first game back for several months and he was played out of position, plus there were plenty of other players that day on an equal or better footing on the One Vale Fan "Crapometer" scale 😍😍😍

I think we need some news on a new player or two to take the emphasis of this JT (non)situation.

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7 hours ago, Biddulph_PV said:

On a separate note I have seen references to the £50k we apparently paid for Hall. Really?? I cannot believe we paid that. Absolutely ridiculous money if that is true and we ought to be thoroughly ashamed of ourselves……because we have well and truly had the Harrogate chairman’s pants down there.

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1 hour ago, Biddulph_PV said:

I saw it differently, I thought he managed it very well a) because of fitness as against Swindle and Mansfield he did understandably tire and b) Charsley’s energy in chasing down was needed at that point to stop the oppo’s trying to build any momentum. Irrespective, I think this pre-season is a big one for JT, he should be full of confidence after Wembley and I think that if he comes back fit then he’ll start next year.

Totally agree. James Wilson was repeatedly hauled off after 65 minutes by excellent man management skills earlier in the season.

Taylor was being managed the same way, building up and giving everything he could whether for 55 minutes or 70 minutes,  whatever the management saw fit. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Emile said:

One internet rumor and he's either not a very good player and good riddance or Clarke has never trusted him?!

Absolutely. What is it with Vale fans? Anyone can see that Jake is a very good player. When fit he is well worth a place in our Di vision 1 squad. Rumours can kill some players careers. We need to wait and see what our management team decide. In the meantime hopefully Jake will show all concerned that he is player we need for the future.

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41 minutes ago, Emile said:

One internet rumor and he's either not a very good player and good riddance or Clarke has never trusted him?!

I would say 80% of people have said he's a good player and would prefer to keep him

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Totally agree. James Wilson was repeatedly hauled off after 65 minutes by excellent man management skills earlier in the season.
Taylor was being managed the same way, building up and giving everything he could whether for 55 minutes or 70 minutes,  whatever the management saw fit. 
 
It is the nature of football nowadays with substitutes, more so with 5 subs. High press/tempo games require energy management as well as tactics. Gone are the days when a player with a broken arm would stand on the wing to keep the full back occupied.






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1 hour ago, darren1810 said:

James Wilson was repeatedly hauled off

I don't want the James Wilson from Northampton away opening day of the season.

If he's going to play like Wembley James Wilson will be OK though.

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Just now, MBE said:

I don't want the James Wilson from Northampton away opening day of the season.

If he's going to play like Wembley James Wilson will be OK though.

That was my point mate. He's been hampered by Injury throughout his career .

So DC knew by molly coddling him and wrapping in cotton wool eventually the true Wilson would emerge. Up to at least October he was subbed regularly as he was getting more and more minutes into his legs.

I'm all for this approach with Taylor too.

Gone are the days of bringing Montano on as sub after 6 weeks out only for him to be subbed himself within 5 minutes after breaking down again. 

 

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@darren1810 I thoroughly agree with you on the management of players. I'm not sure if it only happens at Vale but I do find it odd that some fans expect everyone to go from zero to a hundred when they enter the pitch.
  • We sign a loan player and he gets two days training with the squad - then there's complaints he isn't picked - it's because he won't be used to his colleagues to their runs etc. 
  • A player comes back from injury (such as Wilson against Brentford) struggles a bit and he's labelled "lazy" rather than it being him adjusting to the pace
  • A player is playing through the pain (and probably horrible injections and all sorts) such as Worrall and Proctor and they are labelled as being "rubbish" during that time
 
It is always tge same with some fans. They start spitting viral at players. I remember some of the vile things thrown at Constantine. He left and we were down a year later.
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@darren1810 I thoroughly agree with you on the management of players. I'm not sure if it only happens at Vale but I do find it odd that some fans expect everyone to go from zero to a hundred when they enter the pitch.
  • We sign a loan player and he gets two days training with the squad - then there's complaints he isn't picked - it's because he won't be used to his colleagues to their runs etc. 
  • A player comes back from injury (such as Wilson against Brentford) struggles a bit and he's labelled "lazy" rather than it being him adjusting to the pace
  • A player is playing through the pain (and probably horrible injections and all sorts) such as Worrall and Proctor and they are labelled as being "rubbish" during that time
 
One of the problems is some supporters "Demand" instant success not taking into account fitness, playing with an injury, being asked to play in an unfamiliar role,their personal circumstances( New baby crying all night) Unsettled in a new city, Mrs run off with the milkman, all kind of circumstances can affect a players performance and I don't know,but the Vale seem to have a handle on these situations Procter and Worrall have both mentioned how they have been looked after.
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1 hour ago, robf said:

@darren1810 I thoroughly agree with you on the management of players. I'm not sure if it only happens at Vale but I do find it odd that some fans expect everyone to go from zero to a hundred when they enter the pitch.

  • We sign a loan player and he gets two days training with the squad - then there's complaints he isn't picked - it's because he won't be used to his colleagues to their runs etc. 
  • A player comes back from injury (such as Wilson against Brentford) struggles a bit and he's labelled "lazy" rather than it being him adjusting to the pace
  • A player is playing through the pain (and probably horrible injections and all sorts) such as Worrall and Proctor and they are labelled as being "rubbish" during that time

 

These days there are a lot of supporters who have not played much sport and little if any proper football. Years ago there were many leagues on Saturday and Sunday which gave people an insight into what players go through and more empathy.

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1 hour ago, robf said:

@darren1810 I thoroughly agree with you on the management of players. I'm not sure if it only happens at Vale but I do find it odd that some fans expect everyone to go from zero to a hundred when they enter the pitch.

  • We sign a loan player and he gets two days training with the squad - then there's complaints he isn't picked - it's because he won't be used to his colleagues to their runs etc. 
  • A player comes back from injury (such as Wilson against Brentford) struggles a bit and he's labelled "lazy" rather than it being him adjusting to the pace
  • A player is playing through the pain (and probably horrible injections and all sorts) such as Worrall and Proctor and they are labelled as being "rubbish" during that time

 

Definitely agree with this.

I listed to a great interview with an ex pro (Cant remember who but he played for United under Alex Ferguson) and he said fans have no idea how hard it is to come back and get "Match fitness" which is less to do with physical fitness and more around reading the pace of the game, being sharp in decision making, and interestingly, getting your peripheral vision back up to the required levels.

Sir Alex hired a specialist to work on players peripheral vision when they were returning to fitness as its such an important part of the game.

Also interestingly, I also read somewhere that Black and Pink are the 2 best colours to be seen in peripheral vision and that's why a lot of teams go for a black kits these days.

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9 minutes ago, bycars rob said:

These days there are a lot of supporters who have not played much sport and little if any proper football. Years ago there were many leagues on Saturday and Sunday which gave people an insight into what players go through and more empathy.

Totally correct.  The lads I sit with have never kicked a ball in anger and they haven’t got a clue, although to be honest, despite me playing a lot of football over the years, they’ve all got more idea than me. 🙄

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I become very selective in my visits to OVF.

I love constructive, open, non judgemental conversations, where people are curious and wanting to learn.

Once the naysayers get a grip, with their critical closed minds, I disappear.

Not worth the effort.

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