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59 minutes ago, PV1973 said:

He was fit all season, did all of preseason and he had a good run of games from day one, but it just didn’t work for him for whatever reason, but I wouldn’t put it down to a lack of fitness as to why things didn’t click.  He certainly had a great last couple of games, no doubt about it and as a result of his end to the season he’s earned himself the chance at a new deal, so fair play to him. But there’s no way he’s had a good season and prior to April I doubt anyone would have expected him to be staying with us or even wanted  him to stay such were his performances before that. 

If he was fit why did he go on a better fitness regime?

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Not sure why someone is suggesting there is a sudden lack of trust in the process - over a newspaper rumour??? If it turned out to be true, I'd trust the process to bring in a good replacement!

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JT isn’t a holding midfielder, that’s why he scored so many goals when on loan. The lads creative and moves the ball well and has suffered cruelly with injuries. The season when he was on loan TC couldn’t even get in the starting eleven. Forest must rate him as they put clauses in the purchase of him. 

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Agreed but it’s not as easy as you make out… we gave Harrogate Legge + 50 k for Hall… not sure how that is improving for less money. Ultimately in any league with only a very few exceptions money is required to be at the top end .
I'm fairly sure Legge was sold for £20k in a separate deal, recouping 2/5 of Hall's transfer fee, but your point is still fair.

More broadly though, I think the ability to spend more on players is a *potential* advantage, but there are way more than "very few exceptions" (especially outside the PL) showing that those with comparatively small budgets can compete with far wealthier clubs. Spending a lot is not as good as spending wisely what you can viably spend.
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I was expecting Taylor to feature next season. Two reasons, firstly Conlon and Walker both returning from injuries with the uncertainty that brings and secondly the increase in subs allowed meaning increased option to rotate squad.Taylor definitely went backwards when he went to Scunny and when he came back was a shadow of the player he was. Injury and lack of game time/ confidence meant it was the back end of the season before we started to see glimpses of the Old Taylor. I suppose ultimately it depends on how happy the player is at the Vale but if he stays he could start the season off in the first 11.

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I don't think we'd get better than Jake Taylor unless we paid a lot more money? I've read on here we need to get someone in creative and good enough to challenge Captain Tom...but that's Taylor! There may be games against "lesser" opposition where we need to play JT and TC to give us more chance of 3 points?

I trust DC, he calls the shots and makes the decisions

Let me repeat I like JT , I was pleased when he was fit for the run in

I like DC more
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It would only tell us that we're doing the right thing in telling a player someone is interested in him, and allowing him to see what they offer!

I can assure you if Morecombe came in for let’s say Garrity he wouldn’t be talking to them

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If the money is right for Taylor, I'd cash in. He's good but very hot and cold. In his permanent time with vale he's had more bad games that good. That being said if we keep him I foresee him starting the season/being genuine competition for Conlon when he's fit.

I like him, and if Wembley Jake turns up next year we are in for a good season. If brizzle Jake turns up more often than not, we will soon be regretting not taking the Morecambe money.



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10 hours ago, LancyTony said:

If he was fit why did he go on a better fitness regime?

Hes gone to a trainer to tone himself up to get a bit more definition to his body. There’s a big difference between going on a programme to tone up and a programme to get fitter stamina wise for playing football. A lot of the players do extra gym stuff, it’s nothing unique to one player. I used to see some of them when I was a member at M club on festival park. 

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I rate Taylor. He showed in his original loan spell (and more recently at Wembley and v Hartlepoool) that he's got quality on the ball. I'd like to keep him and see how he does in League One next season. 

However, I've only seen him 1% of the time that Darrell has worked with him, and if he thinks that the club would be better off by letting him go elsewhere, either for the money, to free up space for someone better or just because Jake is unhappy, then I trust the process.

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35 minutes ago, Walka003 said:

If the money is right for Taylor, I'd cash in. 

The article I read said Morecambe were confident of getting him on the cheap. And a massive chunk of any of that would go to Forest as a sell-on clause payment. If he goes, I very much doubt it'll be because the money is too good to turn down. Not at all like if  someone came in and offered £2 million for Wilson or Gibbo for example (where I wouldn't want him to go but you'd snap their hand off)

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The article I read said Morecambe were confident of getting him on the cheap. And a massive chunk of any of that would go to Forest as a sell-on clause payment. If he goes, I very much doubt it'll be because the money is too good to turn down. Not at all like if  someone came in and offered £2 million for Wilson or Gibbo for example (where I wouldn't want him to go but you'd snap their hand off)
It is more likley the case if they let him go it frees up a wage to bring someone else in for that role. I don't doubt Flintcroft and Clarke probably already know who they want potentially may have a replacment lined up.

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I'd be sorry to see JT leave the club. I enjoy watching a player with his skill set. Good control, runs with the ball, and a good passer. I felt we needed more of that from TC, who is more static, rather than a ball carrier. 

However, if he's off elsewhere, then there will be good reasons, and I'm confident it will be the right move for the club.

It is that last sentence that highlights the difference now.

Under the previous regime, there was no trust. 

There is now.

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I trust the club to do what is right, and have people at the club who buy into the ethos. There is definitely a player in JT and it would seem he could be a main player this season, as we have to plan without Tom. Even come the new year is TC  going to be up to speed ? He maybe the secret weapon come the run in ! 

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TC is an important consideration. Like a number of players returning from injury, you don't know what will happen. 

Thankfully, Tom will be given some leeway, but if he's not up to scratch, then action has to be taken for the team's benefit.

I think that it would be folly to assume he will hit the ground running after a lengthy time out.

 

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3 hours ago, Walka003 said:

If the money is right for Taylor, I'd cash in. He's good but very hot and cold. In his permanent time with vale he's had more bad games that good. That being said if we keep him I foresee him starting the season/being genuine competition for Conlon when he's fit.

I like him, and if Wembley Jake turns up next year we are in for a good season. If brizzle Jake turns up more often than not, we will soon be regretting not taking the Morecambe money.


 

I think we can expect younger and somewhat inexperienced players to blow hot and cold, in saying that it wasn’t the case during his first spell.  It all seems to have coincided with a bad time at Iron, so maybe confidence taking a knock, along with being hit with injuries.

He was thrown into the Bristol game and couldn’t have picked a worse fixture to start.  He looked miles off the pace and probably would’ve benefited from another couple of starts off the bench.  Lately he’s looked the player of old.

I think a fit JT would be a good player for us so I’d be inclined to keep him in the short term and see how he goes between now and January, but if there’s an offer on the table I guess it depends on how much the staff think Jake will figure balanced against his wages and cost of any replacement.

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