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54 minutes ago, jjvale_03 said:

Crewe's capacity is >10k. Ditto Luton.

I would still like to know how/why they are allowed 100% capacity yet we're restricted to 70% (?) in the Bycars and 60% (?) in the Railway. 

If you've sat in the side stand at Crewe or behind the goal at Luton, you'll know the reason cannot be turnstiles, emergency access or facilities. If we're saying that the structures of our stands are unsafe, then surely we wouldn't be allowing any fans in. 

I struggle with that stand at Crewe, how that passes I have no idea, I can only think it's different licensing authorities, perhaps a question for the Supporters Club ? 

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1 hour ago, robf said:

There's a few suggestions earlier in the thread. Land off Reginald Mitchell Way was one of them.

funnily enough there is a completely flat piece of land opposite the bottom entrance to Bathpool park; the railway runs right past it and iv always thought to myself that would be a great place for a stadium

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Crewe's capacity is >10k. Ditto Luton.
I would still like to know how/why they are allowed 100% capacity yet we're restricted to 70% (?) in the Bycars and 60% (?) in the Railway. 
If you've sat in the side stand at Crewe or behind the goal at Luton, you'll know the reason cannot be turnstiles, emergency access or facilities. If we're saying that the structures of our stands are unsafe, then surely we wouldn't be allowing any fans in. 
I asked the police lady this on Monday and apparently because our safety compliance has been so poor for decades the SAG dictate capacity and the number of stewards needed on a game by game basis.
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1 hour ago, dishydave said:
4 hours ago, jjvale_03 said:
Crewe's capacity is >10k. Ditto Luton.
I would still like to know how/why they are allowed 100% capacity yet we're restricted to 70% (?) in the Bycars and 60% (?) in the Railway. 
If you've sat in the side stand at Crewe or behind the goal at Luton, you'll know the reason cannot be turnstiles, emergency access or facilities. If we're saying that the structures of our stands are unsafe, then surely we wouldn't be allowing any fans in. 

I asked the police lady this on Monday and apparently because our safety compliance has been so poor for decades the SAG dictate capacity and the number of stewards needed on a game by game basis.

Then the next question is..what factors are considered in regards to safety compliance? 

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4 hours ago, Hoppers said:

Out of curiosity, where is the suggested site (please say Biddulph, please say Biddulph, please say Biddulph🙏😁)

why would we build a stadium in another world?😄

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What was the gate because whatever it was that was mentioned was a load of nonsense .

Easily 12 thousand there mind you saw a lot of PVFC foundations tickets going for nothing on Wonder of Vale so you wouldn't count them in the total .

Do we have 3000 foundation workers  lol 

UTV 

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Then the next question is..what factors are considered in regards to safety compliance? 
Here's just a few items. Emergency lighting on separate feed incase the power goes out of which we had none, outside lights, inside lights, cracked or uneven steps & walkways, not enough kiosks & equipment not up to code in the ones we had, not enough toilets & poor facilities in the ones we have, turnstiles condemned or in need of repair, P.A. system, floodlights, advertising boarding the list goes on.. Nothing was done for decades the place had been left to rot for the 20 years before Carol bought it and will take a long time and a lot of money to get it sorted
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The more I read and hear about our decrepit stadium needing this, that, the other , the more I question why isn't a serious plan in force by the Club to investigate finances, location etc, etc?   I assume Carol et al have been head to head on this and either decided to "patch up every season " the frailties of the stadium or have something in mind for the future?

Is it possible that these findings can be relayed to us poor supporters? 

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1 hour ago, Breadwinner said:

What was the gate because whatever it was that was mentioned was a load of nonsense .

Easily 12 thousand there mind you saw a lot of PVFC foundations tickets going for nothing on Wonder of Vale so you wouldn't count them in the total .

Do we have 3000 foundation workers  lol 

UTV 

As the club says it’s not tickets sold ( don’t include season tickets if not at the game ) it’s actual attendance so free tickets should be included in the gate , All I got Tuesday morning was lardies taking the P because of the 9000 gate 

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46 minutes ago, dishydave said:
1 hour ago, TJHValiant said:
Then the next question is..what factors are considered in regards to safety compliance? 

Here's just a few items. Emergency lighting on separate feed incase the power goes out of which we had none, outside lights, inside lights, cracked or uneven steps & walkways, not enough kiosks & equipment not up to code in the ones we had, not enough toilets & poor facilities in the ones we have, turnstiles condemned or in need of repair, P.A. system, floodlights, advertising boarding the list goes on.. Nothing was done for decades the place had been left to rot for the 20 years before Carol bought it and will take a long time and a lot of money to get it sorted

All this indicates to me it does look like throwing good money after bad to get VP up to scratch. Obviously there are initial outlays in building a new stadium etc but the maintenance and repair costs alone would be reduced. I certainly think some sort of feasibility study would be worthwhile at least.

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25 minutes ago, valeparklife said:

How much would a new stadium cost? I'd ballpark one at £10m+?

How do clubs like Rotherham and Colchester afford this?

Colchester followed the old “community stadium” ruse like Stoke, to get the council to pay! 

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42 minutes ago, Guppys left peg said:

All this indicates to me it does look like throwing good money after bad to get VP up to scratch. Obviously there are initial outlays in building a new stadium etc but the maintenance and repair costs alone would be reduced. I certainly think some sort of feasibility study would be worthwhile at least.

I reluctantly have to agree. Seeing the list of work that needs doing is mind boggling now. I mean I thought we had a good 15k ground at least, but it now seems we can only sell 8,700 tickets to home fans based on last week. 
 

A new 15k would be perfect if we can get the right location and of course..:funding. 
 

That’s the real head scratcher for me…who would really fund it? Carol’s pockets alone won’t be doing it seeing as we can’t even afford to open our two decade old Lorne Street or need fans to get money for a statue of Rudgie. 
 

The council won’t pay not only because it is Vale but because the whole Britannia fiasco made them look terrible. 
 

So that leaves a buyer for the land…hard as isn’t Vale Park a community asset? Plus Burslem has plenty of Brownfield sites going very cheap nobody has wanted for decades (Doulton factory etc). 
 

The way I see it, we will be probably the last FL club to have a new ground in about 2070 or something when the place gets completely condemned. Incredible as it may seem, when Vale Park was opened it 1950 it remained one of the newest grounds in the league until the late 80s. 

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What is it that people don’t get?  Carol has said we ain’t moving from Burslem.  Open your eyes and see money is being spent on ground improvements, obviously not quick enough for a lot of the dreamers contributing to this thread.

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