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14 hours ago, Biddulph_PV said:

This guy really is thick as pig sh!t…

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His old boss who he had lots of success under is selling up. JT had good times with RA. How are we making russia invading Ukraine about Chelsea or Roman Abramovich? 

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On 01/03/2022 at 18:25, philpvfc said:

Why turn this in to a political debate? 

Because it is a valid point? Anyone who cares to look can see that the tories have taken donations from dodgy Russian sources and you can analyse why they may have done that.

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49 minutes ago, WV said:

His old boss who he had lots of success under is selling up. JT had good times with RA. How are we making russia invading Ukraine about Chelsea or Roman Abramovich? 

Chelsea have had some wonderful years from Abramovich`s ill gotten fortune. He knows his time is up as it was 10 years ago and is selling up fast. 

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1 hour ago, WV said:

His old boss who he had lots of success under is selling up. JT had good times with RA. How are we making russia invading Ukraine about Chelsea or Roman Abramovich? 

Because Abramovich has yet to denounce Putin's evil war.  He's doing the usual selfish thing of protecting himself & his assets.  I doubt very much that he cares anything for the Ukrainian people!

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On 01/03/2022 at 13:21, For Us All said:

Try to think before you accuse, nobody's squeaky clean.

Edward Lucas's 2008 Economist article associated the tactic specifically with the Soviet Union, stating "Soviet propagandists during the cold war were trained in a tactic that their western interlocutors nicknamed 'whataboutism'. Any criticism of the Soviet Union (Afghanistan, martial law in Poland, imprisonment of dissidents, censorship) was met with a 'What about...' (apartheid South Africa, jailed trade-unionists, the Contras in Nicaragua, and so forth)." Lucas recommended two methods of properly countering whataboutism: to "use points made by Russian leaders themselves" so that they cannot be applied to the West, and for Western nations to engage in more self-criticism of their own media and government.[4]

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39 minutes ago, hillmanhunter said:

Edward Lucas's 2008 Economist article associated the tactic specifically with the Soviet Union, stating "Soviet propagandists during the cold war were trained in a tactic that their western interlocutors nicknamed 'whataboutism'. Any criticism of the Soviet Union (Afghanistan, martial law in Poland, imprisonment of dissidents, censorship) was met with a 'What about...' (apartheid South Africa, jailed trade-unionists, the Contras in Nicaragua, and so forth)." Lucas recommended two methods of properly countering whataboutism: to "use points made by Russian leaders themselves" so that they cannot be applied to the West, and for Western nations to engage in more self-criticism of their own media and government.[4]

Is that why South Africa and Nicaragua both abstained on a UN vote to condemn the invasion of Ukraine?

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1 hour ago, Bycarsbill said:

Because Abramovich has yet to denounce Putin's evil war.  He's doing the usual selfish thing of protecting himself & his assets.  I doubt very much that he cares anything for the Ukrainian people!

A Russian(UK citizen) ,on Question Time,said Putin wants all the Oligarchs back in Russia with their  money.A question,why would you announce the names of people that the government are targeting?Surely a “quieter”  approach could prove more effective?

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Fosse69 said:

Chelsea have had some wonderful years from Abramovich`s ill gotten fortune. He knows his time is up as it was 10 years ago and is selling up fast. 

Abramovich bought Chelsea in 2003(19 years ago).

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3 hours ago, Howjy04 said:

A Russian(UK citizen) ,on Question Time,said Putin wants all the Oligarchs back in Russia with their  money.A question,why would you announce the names of people that the government are targeting?Surely a “quieter”  approach could prove more effective?

 

 

 

 

 

Except that the "quieter" approach leads to people (and the media) clamouring for more transparent action--it is I think, genuinely difficult for the government to get this completely right. Because of their sheer wealth, these guys have ways (and the means) to shuffle money & non-fixed assets around the globe and not all countries are showing the same willingness to 'punish' the oligarchs.

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22 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:
3 hours ago, Howjy04 said:
Abramovich bought Chelsea in 2003(19 years ago).

Court case was 10 years ago, where is he living now?

Moscow?Monaco?Middleport?

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looking like a poor showing so far… time to get our fingers out and put the pressure on.
Would you believe it? We are now going to use EU rules to tackle the Russians as ours are useless.

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11 hours ago, Fosse69 said:
13 hours ago, Iron Curtain said:
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looking like a poor showing so far… time to get our fingers out and put the pressure on.

Would you believe it? We are now going to use EU rules to tackle the Russians as ours are useless.

What percentage of the total entities are these numbers based on?

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