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3 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

You mean his isolationism??

No,his foreign policy to increase the Pentagon budget to $717 billion,an increase of $82 billion from the previous year.Biden's 'progressives' want to reduce the budget and use the money for their green agenda.

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21 minutes ago, For Us All said:

No,his foreign policy to increase the Pentagon budget to $717 billion,an increase of $82 billion from the previous year.Biden's 'progressives' want to reduce the budget and use the money for their green agenda.

So what were his plans for the increased foreign policy budget???

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Was this policy that one of witholding aid and extorting president Zelensky in exchange for an illegal, underhanded political favour? The one that got him impeached (the first time) That policy?

The policy where he stated he believed Putin over the FBI?

Over which a REPUBLICAN led senate intelligence committee ruled that " found that the Russian government had engaged in an "extensive campaign" to sabotage the election in favor of Trump, which included assistance from some of Trump's own advisers."

That foriegn policy?

There's a popular term in Russia they use for the subjects of their dezinformatsiya campaigns. "Useful idiots." 

EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG

Stop the face saving and think about it.

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23 minutes ago, Doha said:

Was this policy that one of witholding aid and extorting president Zelensky in exchange for an illegal, underhanded political favour? The one that got him impeached (the first time) That policy?

The policy where he stated he believed Putin over the FBI?

Over which a REPUBLICAN led senate intelligence committee ruled that " found that the Russian government had engaged in an "extensive campaign" to sabotage the election in favor of Trump, which included assistance from some of Trump's own advisers."

That foriegn policy?

There's a popular term in Russia they use for the subjects of their dezinformatsiya campaigns. "Useful idiots." 

EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG

Stop the face saving and think about it.

Is that the same disinformation that Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign and the DNC used improperly to report money used to fund the Trump-Russia dossier.

Is it the same disinformation that got Clinton and FEC a $113,000 fine?

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In a letter sent by the FEC to both parties on Tuesday, the agency said the Clinton campaign and the DNC improperly reported the money they spent funding the dossier, labeling the spending as "legal services," and "legal and compliance consulting" instead of opposition research.

Yes, defo the same gravitas as Republicans admitting the Russians actively interfered and were helped in doing so by Trump advisors. Which is why so many Trump campaign reps are now convicted felons, like campaign manager Manafort.

Keep the whataboutism up. It's all you've got.

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17 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

Just back from the match. How was Trump going to stop the war when he reckoned Putin was a genius for starting it??

Hope u had good night was certainly tense watching at home 

He would of kept them out of Ukraine like he did when he was in charge 

We all have a opinion but the same posters on here slate the present government for lies which I agree with by the way but the same posters also slate trump farage Robinson etc who mainly speak the truth 

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15 minutes ago, Packmoor_vale said:

He would of kept them out of Ukraine like he did when he was in charge 

... the same posters also slate trump farage Robinson etc who mainly speak the truth 

Mate. I don't want to argue with you. But this is delusional. He lies so much there's a wikipedia article dedicated to tracking them all. Over 30,000. Over 20 a day.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Doha said:

Mate. I don't want to argue with you. But this is delusional. He lies so much there's a wikipedia article dedicated to tracking them all. Over 30,000. Over 20 a day.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/

 

 

 

I’m not arguing mate i don’t know why I just don’t stick to the match day chats 

20 lies a day what were they doing following him around and checking everything he says 

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5 minutes ago, Packmoor_vale said:

20 lies a day what were they doing following him around and checking everything he says 

Yes, they did. He was, unfortunately, the President. What he said mattered.

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2 hours ago, Doha said:

Yes, defo the same gravitas as Republicans admitting the Russians actively interfered and were helped in doing so by Trump advisors. Which is why so many Trump campaign reps are now convicted felons, like campaign manager Manafort.

Keep the whataboutism up. It's all you've got.

Really?That's coming from someone who introduced Trump to the discussion once again.

 

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15 hours ago, For Us All said:

No,his foreign policy to increase the Pentagon budget to $717 billion,an increase of $82 billion from the previous year.Biden's 'progressives' want to reduce the budget and use the money for their green agenda.

I don't know why I bother, but still.

Increasing the military budget is not foreign policy. It's actually got nothing; nada, zilch, to do with foreign policy - unless you think foreign policy = invading other countries.

Foreign policy is about having a coherent philosophy, strategy, and execution to your relationships with other countries. It's executed through diplomacy, trade agreements, collaborating with partners with similar objectives, and occasionally, through the threat of military intervention.

The American obsession with military and the enormous military-industrial complex which creates jobs/money, and lines the pockets of lots of big companies is what drives the expenditure. Trump likes to think he is some kind of strong man, so loved to talk about the military, wanted parades like China/North Korea, etc. That's all there is to it - nothing else. Trump doesn't have a coherent thought in his head, and isn't interested in any kind of policy, let alone foreign.

If the budget was cut in half, which it probably could be from an actual military perspective in terms of requirements, it would have an enormous impact on jobs, etc. The problem now is that the investment is so large, such an industry in and of itself, that if you reduce it, it screws up the existing investments. 

Particularly love the way that you talk about Biden - one of the most centrist in the whole Democrat party - and 'his' 'progressives', as if they are not critical of much of what the government does. You do know what progressive means, right? Looking/moving forward, not back.

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2 hours ago, The_godfather said:

I don't know why I bother, but still.

Increasing the military budget is not foreign policy. It's actually got nothing; nada, zilch, to do with foreign policy - unless you think foreign policy = invading other countries.

Foreign policy is about having a coherent philosophy, strategy, and execution to your relationships with other countries. It's executed through diplomacy, trade agreements, collaborating with partners with similar objectives, and occasionally, through the threat of military intervention.

The American obsession with military and the enormous military-industrial complex which creates jobs/money, and lines the pockets of lots of big companies is what drives the expenditure. Trump likes to think he is some kind of strong man, so loved to talk about the military, wanted parades like China/North Korea, etc. That's all there is to it - nothing else. Trump doesn't have a coherent thought in his head, and isn't interested in any kind of policy, let alone foreign.

If the budget was cut in half, which it probably could be from an actual military perspective in terms of requirements, it would have an enormous impact on jobs, etc. The problem now is that the investment is so large, such an industry in and of itself, that if you reduce it, it screws up the existing investments. 

Particularly love the way that you talk about Biden - one of the most centrist in the whole Democrat party - and 'his' 'progressives', as if they are not critical of much of what the government does. You do know what progressive means, right? Looking/moving forward, not back.

So do you think Biden is doing a good job?

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