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Match Thread: Port Vale v Northampton Town


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I am seriously trying not to post on here as I am aware that my views are different to a lot of people here and despite being considered a wind up merchant I am just a Port Vale fan who doesn't think Clarke is a very good manager. I found it interesting in his post match interview that he said "I am disappointed for my fans" as if we only go to watch Vale because he is manager. I still think he has a massive opinion of his own ability and likes to blame everyone else when it doesn't work out the way he hopes. He has been given more rein to change things at the club than any manager we have had before, only time will tell if he has the ability to match his own opinion of himself, I personally doubt it.

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3 minutes ago, Rampant Zebra said:

I am seriously trying not to post on here as I am aware that my views are different to a lot of people here and despite being considered a wind up merchant I am just a Port Vale fan who doesn't think Clarke is a very good manager. I found it interesting in his post match interview that he said "I am disappointed for my fans" as if we only go to watch Vale because he is manager. I still think he has a massive opinion of his own ability and likes to blame everyone else when it doesn't work out the way he hopes. He has been given more rein to change things at the club than any manager we have had before, only time will tell if he has thew ability to match his own opinion of himself, I personally doubt it.

He certainly was at fault yesterday with his tactics and team selection he set up to keep it tight and hope for a set piece or a stroke of luck I feel sorry for the fans that paid 22 quid of their hard earned money to watch that sh-te if he plans to play that way at tranmere let us know then no need bother going 

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20 hours ago, VantaaVale said:

Exactly. Northampton are the 1-0 kings of L2 this season. They get ahead and shut up shop. Exactly the reason why a "go for it" approach is incorrect against this particular opposition.

 

So the correct approach is to have one or two shots on target at home over 90 minutes? And continuing to play one of your best players, a winger, as a wing-back where he often spends more time in his own half than he does getting forward. Gotcha.

Nobody is saying we should be gung-ho from the off or at any point when at home. But you can certainly start games on the front foot, which we never did, and have been doing so less and less this season as it's gone on.

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22 minutes ago, Rampant Zebra said:

I am seriously trying not to post on here as I am aware that my views are different to a lot of people here and despite being considered a wind up merchant I am just a Port Vale fan who doesn't think Clarke is a very good manager. I found it interesting in his post match interview that he said "I am disappointed for my fans" as if we only go to watch Vale because he is manager. I still think he has a massive opinion of his own ability and likes to blame everyone else when it doesn't work out the way he hopes. He has been given more rein to change things at the club than any manager we have had before, only time will tell if he has the ability to match his own opinion of himself, I personally doubt it.

You're bound to be right.

Eventually!

You're just ahead of the game 😉

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15 minutes ago, Rampant Zebra said:

I am seriously trying not to post on here as I am aware that my views are different to a lot of people here and despite being considered a wind up merchant I am just a Port Vale fan who doesn't think Clarke is a very good manager. I found it interesting in his post match interview that he said "I am disappointed for my fans" as if we only go to watch Vale because he is manager. I still think he has a massive opinion of his own ability and likes to blame everyone else when it doesn't work out the way he hopes. He has been given more rein to change things at the club than any manager we have had before, only time will tell if he has the ability to match his own opinion of himself, I personally doubt it.

I think it is a great thing that views on here differ, the forum opens up a space for discussion and reasoned debate. When we went on that 7 or 8 game winning run at the end of last season which saved us from a dreaded relegation battle you were saying Clarke was a bad manager then. When we were sitting second in the table after a couple of months into this season, you were still saying he was a bad acquisition. Seems like you are willing his downfall. Can I ask you, what magical feat would Darrell Clarke have to perform for you to offer any praise in his direction? 

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21 minutes ago, Beech said:

 

So the correct approach is to have one or two shots on target at home over 90 minutes? And continuing to play one of your best players, a winger, as a wing-back where he often spends more time on his own half than he goes getting forward. Gotcha.

I didn't say that though, did I? Listen to Clarke's interview where he sums it up perfectly, saying "when you play as badly as that, make sure you don't lose".

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I think it is a great thing that views on here differ, the forum opens up a space for discussion and reasoned debate. When we went on that 7 or 8 game winning run at the end of last season which saved us from a dreaded relegation battle you were saying Clarke was a bad manager then. When we were sitting second in the table after a couple of months into this season, you were still saying he was a bad acquisition. Seems like you are willing his downfall. Can I ask you, what magical feat would Darrell Clarke have to perform for you to offer any praise in his direction? 


Short of resigning, I really don't think that there's anything that DC could do to make RZ give him any credit. He started blarting about how badly DC treated those legends that we released last season, and has had it in for DC ever since
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11 minutes ago, philmpv said:

 


Short of resigning, I really don't think that there's anything that DC could do to make RZ give him any credit. He started blarting about how badly DC treated those legends that we released last season, and has had it in for DC ever since

 

I am just intrigued as to what it would take, play offs, automatic promotion, champions ? 

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I'm firmly in the Clarke camp. But he's not exempt from scrutiny without going overboard.  I personally feel we've talked the opposition up before games such as Swindon possession game and Northampton set piece wizardry. 

They should be worrying about us not the other way around. 

My only concern is if we played Northampton today I think we'd approach it exactly the same way as we did yesterday. 

I know all about their capabilities with 15 clean sheets, they also had 5 up them at Swindon .

Unleash the shackles at home, FGR was a joy to watch,  yesterday was slow torture. 

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26 minutes ago, For Us All said:

I think this game had a goalless draw written all over it from minute one.Their record of 15 clean sheets from 30 games is very impressive.

Vale had a chance in the 1st couple of minutes in a bit of a goal mouth scramble 

If we could have scored then would have been a completely different game 

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2 hours ago, Beech said:

 

So the correct approach is to have one or two shots on target at home over 90 minutes? And continuing to play one of your best players, a winger, as a wing-back where he often spends more time in his own half than he does getting forward. Gotcha.

Nobody is saying we should be gung-ho from the off or at any point when at home. But you can certainly start games on the front foot, which we never did, and have been doing so less and less this season as it's gone on.

In tight games like they you need someone who can unlock the door with a bit of skill or a killer pass. We don’t have another player other than Woz capable of carrying the ball and providing that moment from midfield. It’s why I really can’t understand why Cooper or/and Amoo where not introduced to try and pull Northampton out of the defensive shape. Very negative from DC.

We are very one dimensional team at the minute and easy to defend against at home.

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1 hour ago, MBE said:

In tight games like they you need someone who can unlock the door with a bit of skill or a killer pass. We don’t have another player other than Woz capable of carrying the ball and providing that moment from midfield. It’s why I really can’t understand why Cooper or/and Amoo where not introduced to try and pull Northampton out of the defensive shape. Very negative from DC.

We are very one dimensional team at the minute and easy to defend against at home.

I'd agree with that .

You need be  more imaginative at home the crowd yesterday for a supposedly big game was shocking only 5900 odd so that tells me folk are not unfortunately enjoying the home performances at present .

We set up away the other night the right way the performance reflected in that so why go negative at home v a team who Swindon annihilated. 

Why not start with same team as who won worthy v Carlisle (this there no good doesn't sit with me last season they were up the top end of the league all season ).

I want to be entertained I want us to be firing shots in left right and centre I want see my wide men beating players and driving towards the box the fact we have won no penalties this season is telling in itself .

Cooper needs to start in home games .

He as that quality what will bring people to the  ground and more importantly he as the desire to go around players .

Worrall has being here years his effort his always exceptional but he is replaceable we need more from his side and Husseys side .

Hope they are not using the pitch as a excuse either yes it's poor but same for both teams .

Abysmal yesterday was .

When we play with Smith and Martin at the back defensively there sound but going forwards that first pass is not quick enough or decisive enough Walkers was the other night and I do think playing Walker and Garrity in midfield that they get in one another way defensively there performances are good enough but going forwards Garrity was so much better in Walkers position .

Something for DC think about at the end of the day a points better than nothing but come on we are at home lets run chase  and harry the opposition to death when they have the ball and lets play players who can beat a man cause guess what Darryl Clark if a player gets past his opponent it creates space for another  

Do not bring flair players into the club and use them sparingly .

JOEL COOPER in a word.

Also Amoo scores the other night then doesn't get on .

Laughable .

UTV 

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 I said before the game that I thought DC would revert back to his 5 at the back, to nullify Northampton’s aerial threat. That’s ok, but when Northampton started to “lose” the second half, time-wasting etc. we then should surely have gone after the win. Instead his subs were all like for like for me. At Carlisle we had 3 up front allowing JW to play the 10 role, yesterday Willo and Ryan were just never together as a pairing, neither looked threatening.

That said, after a miserable day yesterday and a pretty dismal day outside today, just have a look at the facts below.image.png.1a675c517e9c4a94c45274d8d6bcdabe.png


If we can average 2 points a game from the remaining 18 games, 80 points should certainly see us in the play-offs with an outside chance of automatics. We’ve had our bad spell pre-Xmas, now with JP & JW back together I am confident we can do it.

Keep the faith.

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