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27 minutes ago, 1 said:

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Very generous of them as we'd need 14,900 tons (yes, tons) worth to fill just a 1m deep base!

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5 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:
34 minutes ago, LancyTony said:
With clearing out the deadwood, then the new reinforcements in this transfer window, I'd suggest this summer's close season won't need to see such massive investment in new players...even if we get promotion, i think many of this squad will do ok in Lge 1, for a season...different loan players, probably, but not such a massive turnover? So, could, possibly, divert some funds towards the new pitch which would be more of an investment than a burden! Either postpone the RW concert, or ringfence some cash towards summer close season 2023...slightly earlier if we have away games at the end of the season. I started to read an article about Real Madrid's top-rated pitch guy - a Brit - who's implemented or about to implement a new way of growing pitches which will allow RM to utilise the ground for more of the year, and may earn up to £100 million  / year extra? Can't remember where I saw the article though - but this is it, in less detail:  
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Does it cope with mine shafts?

Hahaha...I'm not trying to suggest we go to this extreme...just showing how advanced pitch technology is, nowadays. Ours has been down for some years, now, and the numbers of injuries are steadily creeping up...if our pitch is so heavy it takes longer to recover from, but players don't get extra time to recuperate, I'd suggest that would lead to the increase in injuries? In which case, sorting a new  one out must be a priority? Who knows how many points it might have cost us...and how much in player sales? 

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10 minutes ago, rob1983 said:

Swindon didn't look to bad on our pub pitch or Brentford a few weeks back. Clarke just looking for excuses he's feeling the heat.

I can see what some of the posters are saying about our main pitch and injuries.  Away teams only have to play on it once a season.  Could it be a mixture of the heavy training pitch (DC has mentioned that is heavy as well) and the matches on the main pitch could be taking its toll on muscles and causing injuries.  The controlling of the ball due to divots - well its the same for both teams, so is it down to our players not coping as well with these during the match.

A new pitch would be nice, but is there money in the pot and are there still grants to help lay a new pitch in time for the new season?

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Relaying the pitch is relatively easy and has probably been done a few times since the 50s. But the major problem is the base and it drainage. No doubt in the long list of stadium jobs, it may well be that a proper training pitch will give earlier avoidance of excessive physical strain on the players.






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I've been watching the big match revisited on ITV4 recently. This week it ha been showing games from December 1976. Yesterday was Arsenal v Man Utd played on a paddy field at Highbury. Tuesday was Chelsea v Wolves played on a pitch that was a skating rink on one side and a bog on the other wing with a sand pit down the middle. Vale Park in its current state is like playing on a carpet to what those teams had to contend with back then. 

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Should be used to it aswell. Should be more of a hinderince to the away team who play on It once a season. Can't be that much of an issue. If anything we should try use the pitch to our advantage.

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I may be stirring the hornet's nest here but I often wonder whether 3G is the answer...

It's used in the National League and seems to be very popular - indeed the clubs that have used it (such as Sutton and Harrogate) have been really reluctant to remove it when they have got League status. 

I think that's because there's fewer cancellations with 3G (as they don't get waterlogged) and as they are hard-wearing it opens up lots of revenue saving things (e.g. you can train on the main pitch / you can have concerts without it cutting up / you can have another teams playing on it without it being ruined).

Here's a quote from an article on Sutton when they had to replace the pitch just showing how useful it was to them as a club:

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The loss of the artificial pitch will be felt by a host of other sides.

Sutton's academy, three women's and nine girls' teams and three disability sides all made use of the surface.

The pitch at Gander Green Lane was used seven days a week and was available to hire, providing valuable income for the south London club.

"From the point of view of our community setup, it means there are a lot of sides displaced as a consequence," Barry said.

"It is a major factor for us, but we knew what would happen if we were successful on the pitch.

"The usage of the surface will be very reduced.

"We are a community club and are working really hard to rehouse those over the summer. That is going to be a challenge for us."

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I know one of the arguments will be that "it's not the same as grass" but I think we've advanced a long way from the QPR pitch of the 80's. 

For me, with clubs having to be money conscious it seems that going the 3G route may be a lot more of a money saver (and actually a money generator) but then again I've never played football at a decent level so perhaps the playing disadvantages of 3G outweigh the other benefits and it may be a break from tradition too far for some.

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5 hours ago, rob1983 said:

Swindon didn't look to bad on our pub pitch or Brentford a few weeks back. Clarke just looking for excuses he's feeling the heat.

I've just looked back over your posting history.  You really are a miserable bugger aren't you?!

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I've just looked back over your posting history.  You really are a miserable bugger aren't you?!
We'll finish top half which is still progression. Sorry if you can't have an opinion on here.

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30 minutes ago, rob1983 said:
37 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:
I've just looked back over your posting history.  You really are a miserable bugger aren't you?!

We'll finish top half which is still progression. Sorry if you can't have an opinion on here.

Of course you can have an opinion. I’m just stating mine. 

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I know that there's other things going on at the moment, the Lorne St concourse, the Rudgey statue etc but could we as fans potentially get the ball rolling?

It's a monumental task & I'm not by any means suggesting we'd be able to get close to the overall figure required for a brand new surface/drainage etc, but is there a way of us being able to do something constructive?

The cost implications are huge but maybe a point for discussion during this evenings Supporters Club Forum if anybody is able to attend & raise the question?

Has the club reached out to get actual quotes from the experts? What kind of figure are we talking for an all singing & dancing set up. What's the short term & longer term plan to sort out our pitch.

The long term benefits could be huge. Would be very interested to find out exactly what the plan looks like, if there is one. Anybody who can ask something along these lines, be very much appreciated as I'm unable to attend myself this evening.

 

 

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As for 3G/4G, If the FA haven't changed their minds by now I doubt they ever will. Best we can hope for is a hybrid one, that's the option lots of top level clubs go for. Lots of automation in the modern day, they have probes buried in the turf measuring chemical composition, water saturation, algorithm driven advice on predicting disease, watering schedules, mowing schedules, when to use those massive racks of portable LED lights for growth. Rochdale have some they use in the very cut up 6 yard boxes, donated by GM Police from a Cannabis grow! Wonder what they had going on in the Leopard...

If we want a future proofed set up, not spending good money after bad and all that, to preserve the playing budget it's either going have to be a commercial loan or a fan campaign to get RW on board IMO. Big cost to a football club, pocket change to the old lad. The net profit to Vale ltd from hosting the gig might pay off the LS concourse but it won't touch a comprehensive pitch replacement and kit upgrade I wouldn't have thought.

What happens with the training pitches remains to be seen if we do move. In a naive dreamworld we identify a site and move, the council donate the freehold and we partially fund the development of the new site by selling off the 5 and a bit acres behind the Bycars for new build housing.

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6 hours ago, robf said:

I may be stirring the hornet's nest here but I often wonder whether 3G is the answer...

It's used in the National League and seems to be very popular - indeed the clubs that have used it (such as Sutton and Harrogate) have been really reluctant to remove it when they have got League status. 

I think that's because there's fewer cancellations with 3G (as they don't get waterlogged) and as they are hard-wearing it opens up lots of revenue saving things (e.g. you can train on the main pitch / you can have concerts without it cutting up / you can have another teams playing on it without it being ruined).

Here's a quote from an article on Sutton when they had to replace the pitch just showing how useful it was to them as a club:

--

The loss of the artificial pitch will be felt by a host of other sides.

Sutton's academy, three women's and nine girls' teams and three disability sides all made use of the surface.

The pitch at Gander Green Lane was used seven days a week and was available to hire, providing valuable income for the south London club.

"From the point of view of our community setup, it means there are a lot of sides displaced as a consequence," Barry said.

"It is a major factor for us, but we knew what would happen if we were successful on the pitch.

"The usage of the surface will be very reduced.

"We are a community club and are working really hard to rehouse those over the summer. That is going to be a challenge for us."

--

I know one of the arguments will be that "it's not the same as grass" but I think we've advanced a long way from the QPR pitch of the 80's. 

For me, with clubs having to be money conscious it seems that going the 3G route may be a lot more of a money saver (and actually a money generator) but then again I've never played football at a decent level so perhaps the playing disadvantages of 3G outweigh the other benefits and it may be a break from tradition too far for some.

Rob, My experience of 3G pitches is through my son who played club soccer in New England. 3G pitches are still not close in characteristics to grass, football is almost a different game on 3G compared to grass. The  ball bounces higher and travels faster, a ball appears to defy the laws of physics and gain speed as it rolls over the plastic pitch etc!!!  A player has to alter his/her game/touch if playing one week on plastic and the next on grass.

I don't know if there's any stats on injuries but I wouldn't be surprised if the number of injuries on 3G was greater than grass, the 3G surface is harder and "twisting" injuries occurred with players where studs got caught in the mesh of the 3G. And those rubber pellets they got everywhere!!!

I'm not a fan of 3G surfaces for football but if 3G could achieve the same...ish characteristics as grass then there's all the reasons you suggested to have one. I believe there's hybrid pitches these days, grass/plastic, which have similar characteristics to grass, perhaps that's the way to go when the time comes if cost effective.

 

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