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Match Thread: Port Vale v Scunthorpe United


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The issue with it for me is that our spare man is always a CB instead of an attacker. It’s fine away from home, as we’ve seen with some great results. But at home more often than not it’s failed and we’ve had to switch it up at half time. Personally i don’t think it suits some of our players, wozza is wasted, amoo and Rodney don’t fit in ect. 
I don't think the spare man being at the back is too much of a problem when Cass and Jones are on the pitch. It actually works to our benefit similar to the way it worked for Sheffield utd for a coupke of years under Wilder. When one is out it becomes a problem as the opposition just leave Smith as the free man and shut off the simple pass.

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Another dismal night of results for us. Salford go above us, Bradford level on points, Rovers 3 behind, and Newport pull away into third.

A morale boosting win is absolutely fundamental here, alongside 3 signings. 

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Just have to win this. Sides around and above us are now consistently winning and we have gone from chasing Forest Green to try to stay in touch with these other sides! Have to beat scunny, perfect game really as these are as bad as it gets. 

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15 hours ago, wotsyobeef said:
On 24/01/2022 at 20:32, valiant_593 said:
The issue with it for me is that our spare man is always a CB instead of an attacker. It’s fine away from home, as we’ve seen with some great results. But at home more often than not it’s failed and we’ve had to switch it up at half time. Personally i don’t think it suits some of our players, wozza is wasted, amoo and Rodney don’t fit in ect. 

I don't think the spare man being at the back is too much of a problem when Cass and Jones are on the pitch. It actually works to our benefit similar to the way it worked for Sheffield utd for a coupke of years under Wilder. When one is out it becomes a problem as the opposition just leave Smith as the free man and shut off the simple pass.

Still don’t think it works particularly well at home and I’d prefer the extra man to be a midfielder personally but I do agree, away from home it’s worked well when Jones and Cass are the extra man. When smith is the extra man it’s so easy to defend against

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If we play 532 cant see us picking up a win- we need to go at teams its driving me crazy how defensive we are. Had we got at salford and orient im sure we would of picked 6 points up. darrel needs to come up with some fresh ideas and he needs to do it fast carol has backed him and were looking like a mid table team 

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14 minutes ago, Vale1995 said:

Is dc under pressure if we lose on Saturday? he would be for me. As i wouldnt be able see where our next win comes from if we lose this

I should hope not.

He's coming up to one year in post.

Massive overhaul from top to bottom.

Compare now to this time last year.

All I see is progress...

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2 hours ago, The man in the pub said:
On 24/01/2022 at 22:10, Warren said:
Must win game. 

The perfect game to get back on winning ways . Best way to do that is to start on the front foot. Goals seemed to have dried up so to aid our strikers pick a formation that uses Wozza and Garrity as genuine attacking threats .

Vale Desperately need a win on Saturday . I do agree Wozza and Garrity  attacking . And get the first Goal as soon as we can . 

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4 minutes ago, SFBT said:

I should hope not.

He's coming up to one year in post.

Massive overhaul from top to bottom.

Compare now to this time last year.

All I see is progress...

Mid table league 2 after being heavily backed isnt progress to me, look am not calling for him go as I believe he can turn it around, but another couple of defeats and questions have to be asked. We havent played well in a long time yes weve had injurys but our squad is good enough to cope with them. Wevw gone from looking good for automatic places to outside play offs in the space of a month

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Its more our play that is a worry for me we are setting up so negatively its like our game plan is to stay in the game for 70 mins and then try and hope we nick one, were playing terrible teams just get at them and most will crumble

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The concept that DC plays negative football is mad and doesn't hold up. Labelling the wingbacks a '532' is disingenuous, as in possession the wingbacks play as high as the forwards. More of a 334 when we have the ball. 

The reason we're not scoring goals is because we've had no fully fit experienced strikers since November 13th (Bradford). We've played Amoo, Rodney, Garrity, Politic, an unfit Wilson, Harratt, and Edmonson as strikers since. 3 wingers, a CM, an unfit forward, and two young loanees.

On November 12th, with fit strikers, we were 2nd and had scored the joint most in the league; 27 in 15. Not possible to have a negative approach and also score this many.

Since then we've had no fully fit forwards with proper experience -  scored 11 in 9, and now we're 10th. Our form has slumped to lower-mid table at the exact time our strikers got injured. It's no coincidence - we were good and free-scoring with strikers, and poor and stodgy without.

The decision to not sign an experienced forward is one I've criticised for a while. It should have been priority number 1 - Wilson, Proctor, and New Striker to compete for the forward places. I'm not fussed with big names, just a player who we could rely on to do something whilst Wilson inched towards fitness. Harratt and Edmonson might be decent but they were almighty gambles considering the situation.

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4 hours ago, ollyandpatch said:

Biggest game of the season....

Home form is no where near enough. Strikers are often isolated. lots of possession but dependent on Worrall and Garrity for any direct threat.

Goals have dried up since te end of Novemeber. Still not sure why Politic was never a regular starter, must be fitness issues or clauses in the loan. Regardless since Proctor, we have relatively loooked toothless. Garrity's goals have papered over the cracks.

 

The decline is startling and the pressure is on DC. Need 4 points at least from the next two home games.

 

 

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352 is easy to play against and quickly becomes a defensive formation. So many sides have simply pushed our wing backs back and turned 352 into 532. We have no width and literally nothing up top when this happens. Then DC switches it up at half time and we improve and look dangerous and repeat. I’ll be pretty annoyed if we set up 352 / 532 against one of the worst sides in the league. 

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