Jump to content

Match Thread: Leyton Orient v Port Vale


Fosse69

Recommended Posts

Advert:


Reading the comments back I can’t understand the negativity on here. A depleted Vale squad have just come back from a really tough L2 team who will definitely be competing for play off places with a point. We have stopped the sequence of losses, looking  really solid at the back in the process for 1st time since probably around September/October. Something to build on to get the season going again. We are only just off the playoffs and auto places with 20+ games to go and most of the teams in and around us have to come to VP.

It will come good keep the faith.
 

  • Like 4

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The reason for the negativity is (in my view) some of the absentees that make us depleted aren't going to be with us for a while.

I don't like what's been said about Conlon 'making decisions' and 'seeing specialists'. Gibbons was in tears and has a history of long-term hamstring injuries. That's two of our best three players potentially out for the long term. We've also permanently lost a creative maverick who could be trusted to turn games and would have bagged points for us himself before May.

Those three losses, and the seemingly distant return of Proctor, leaves us with an available squad which I think will struggle to consistently compete in the top 7 of this league. 

It's no ones fault. We've got unlucky. Imagine losing JMW, Dodds, and Loft in 12/13. I doubt we'd have gone up if that had been the case. Maybe Flitters will pull one out of the hat. I just think we're a fair bit weaker than we were on Dec 31st. I was ultra optimistic but Gibbo + Conlon + Politic is a massive blow to any League 2 team.

Edited by Joe B
  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, MBE said:

Reading the comments back I can’t understand the negativity on here. A depleted Vale squad have just come back from a really tough L2 team who will definitely be competing for play off places with a point. We have stopped the sequence of losses, looking  really solid at the back in the process for 1st time since probably around September/October. Something to build on to get the season going again. We are only just off the playoffs and auto places with 20+ games to go and most of the teams in and around us have to come to VP.

It will come good keep the faith.
 

What will come good? What does good look like??

Well for me, anything other than promotion really will be disappointing when all is said and done. We’ve effectively got 2 managers who have got promotions under their respective belts and it’s not has if they haven't been backed. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Advert:


Negativity from me is because I though they were they for the taking. They looked knackered 2nd half and had no danger. Earlier in the season we would have buried them, yet today, we didn’t even try. We were happy to take the 0-0, DC and co telling players to come off slowly at 0-0 when we’re on top isn’t something I want to see. Stone holding onto the ball towards then end when we had a potential overload for a counter attack. It’s just too negative, we defended well, but when you play a side not on it you have to create something. 

I just don’t think it’s a great achievement to get a point at a side 13th in the league. Why is that such a superb result? I don’t think they’ll be up there come the end of the season, they draw too many games and looked bang average today. We’re better away from home than at home, so we need to be looking to take 3 points away from home. I think my other disappointment is that we seem to be fixed into this 532 no matter what. Today would have been perfect to swap to a back 4 second half. Why bring amoo and Wilson off for the two young lads? Go 4 at the back with Amoo on the wide right and have a go.  A point ain’t bad, and the clean sheet is very good but I’m just frustrated that they were there to be beaten and we didn’t even try. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Good point in my opinon. We got a clean sheet away from home. Ok we didnt score, but we are down to the bare bones, and meawhile the players that are fit have another 90 minutes under their belts.

Like last season, first shore up the defence, then look to improve further up the pitch.

Its very frustrating, but really where do people think that we are going to get an eperienced goal scorer from in the January transfer window? Anyone half decent who isnt one step off a pension is contracted. You could probbly get a striker from somewhere else, but there is so much dross around. Do we really want someone elses Guthrie or Robinson?

We did some fantastic business in the summer to attract Wilson and Proctor. A great combination of experience and youth. Sadly both got injured. Proctor was just bad luck, Wilson was probably more likely given his history. Thats the chance we have to take given our budget and our sensible policy of not causing problems within the squad by rushing out to get someone and breaking the wage structure... Look at Salford who are throwing good money after bad on players wages and where are they?

I may be proved wrong but anyone on here who thinks that we will get an experienced striker this week needs to have a think. 

I think there is more to come even from this depleted squad, they just need to find a route, a method, a way to score goals. It might be from the wing, could be through the middle, who knows but I'm sure DC will be working on it in the week.

Lastly, as someone else said earlier, I'm sure our heavy clay based pitch doesnt help our injury problems.

  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

39 minutes ago, MBE said:

Reading the comments back I can’t understand the negativity on here. A depleted Vale squad have just come back from a really tough L2 team who will definitely be competing for play off places with a point. We have stopped the sequence of losses, looking  really solid at the back in the process for 1st time since probably around September/October. Something to build on to get the season going again. We are only just off the playoffs and auto places with 20+ games to go and most of the teams in and around us have to come to VP.

It will come good keep the faith.
 

Nice 🙏👍😁 I'm with you

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

23 minutes ago, Biddulph_PV said:

What will come good? What does good look like??

Well for me, anything other than promotion really will be disappointing when all is said and done. We’ve effectively got 2 managers who have got promotions under their respective belts and it’s not has if they haven't been backed. 

No doubt promotion is the target and I’ve said before DC has failed if he doesn’t deliver but we still lots of games to go. It’s far far from over. This league is fuckin <ovf censored>. Everyone will beat each other as it’s proven.

You also have to put where we are in perspective. We have suffered horrendous luck with long term injuries to arguably our best 4 players. Tell me a team in this league which could cope with that? Nobody, yet we are still very much in the mix. We are just working our way through it and need a little time to adjust. On the evidence of the last 2 games it coming.

 

  • Like 5

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Vale battled well for a point.

Hall and Hussey look good signings, Stone looked assured.

Still got a good shot at the play-offs and if we can get the key players back  asap who knows.

Edited by Paul6754
  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Advert:


31 minutes ago, valiant_593 said:

Negativity from me is because I though they were they for the taking. They looked knackered 2nd half and had no danger. Earlier in the season we would have buried them, yet today, we didn’t even try. We were happy to take the 0-0, DC and co telling players to come off slowly at 0-0 when we’re on top isn’t something I want to see. Stone holding onto the ball towards then end when we had a potential overload for a counter attack. It’s just too negative, we defended well, but when you play a side not on it you have to create something. 

I just don’t think it’s a great achievement to get a point at a side 13th in the league. Why is that such a superb result? I don’t think they’ll be up there come the end of the season, they draw too many games and looked bang average today. We’re better away from home than at home, so we need to be looking to take 3 points away from home. I think my other disappointment is that we seem to be fixed into this 532 no matter what. Today would have been perfect to swap to a back 4 second half. Why bring amoo and Wilson off for the two young lads? Go 4 at the back with Amoo on the wide right and have a go.  A point ain’t bad, and the clean sheet is very good but I’m just frustrated that they were there to be beaten and we didn’t even try. 

It definitely looked like avoiding defeat was more important than trying to win today. I'd understand that stance against a strong side but Leyton were abysmal and there for the taking. 

Sorry, but any notion that being the 7th best team in Division Four will be an achievement merely underlines how far we've fallen. 

 

Edited by smithie

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

38 minutes ago, Joe B said:

The reason for the negativity is (in my view) some of the absentees that make us depleted aren't going to be with us for a while.

I don't like what's been said about Conlon 'making decisions' and 'seeing specialists'. Gibbons was in tears and has a history of long-term hamstring injuries. That's two of our best three players potentially out for the long term. We've also permanently lost a creative maverick who could be trusted to turn games and would have bagged points for us himself before May.

Those three losses, and the seemingly distant return of Proctor, leaves us with an available squad which I think will struggle to consistently compete in the top 7 of this league. 

It's no ones fault. We've got unlucky. Imagine losing JMW, Dodds, and Loft in 12/13. I doubt we'd have gone up if that had been the case. Maybe Flitters will pull one out of the hat. I just think we're a fair bit weaker than we were on Dec 31st. I was ultra optimistic but Gibbo + Conlon + Politic is a massive blow to any League 2 team.

It just means DC finds a different way to win, which he will.The transfer window is still open and I’m positive we can expect to see a few reinforcements to cover injuries.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

11 minutes ago, smithie said:

It definitely looked like avoiding defeat was more important than trying to win today. I'd understand that stance against a strong side but Leyton were abysmal and there fo the taking. 

Sorry, but any notion that being the 7th best team in Division Four will be an achievement merely underlines how far we've fallen

Edited by Hoppers

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

33 minutes ago, valiant_593 said:

Negativity from me is because I though they were they for the taking. They looked knackered 2nd half and had no danger. Earlier in the season we would have buried them, yet today, we didn’t even try. We were happy to take the 0-0, DC and co telling players to come off slowly at 0-0 when we’re on top isn’t something I want to see. Stone holding onto the ball towards then end when we had a potential overload for a counter attack. It’s just too negative, we defended well, but when you play a side not on it you have to create something. 

I just don’t think it’s a great achievement to get a point at a side 13th in the league. Why is that such a superb result? I don’t think they’ll be up there come the end of the season, they draw too many games and looked bang average today. We’re better away from home than at home, so we need to be looking to take 3 points away from home. I think my other disappointment is that we seem to be fixed into this 532 no matter what. Today would have been perfect to swap to a back 4 second half. Why bring amoo and Wilson off for the two young lads? Go 4 at the back with Amoo on the wide right and have a go.  A point ain’t bad, and the clean sheet is very good but I’m just frustrated that they were there to be beaten and we didn’t even try. 

I agree they did look for the taking 2nd half but if I was Orient I would say the same thing about us as we offered very little. For me you just have to remember where we are as a team at present. It’s night and day from the heady days of September and October. A point away at a play off rival is a very good point and a place to start and build an unbeaten run.

A scrappy win next week and things will look very different.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Advert:


1 hour ago, manc_vale said:

I may be proved wrong but anyone on here who thinks that we will get an experienced striker this week needs to have a think. 

1 hour ago, manc_vale said:

Its very frustrating, but really where do people think that we are going to get an eperienced goal scorer from in the January transfer window? Anyone half decent who isnt one step off a pension is contracted. You could probbly get a striker from somewhere else, but there is so much dross around. Do we really want someone elses Guthrie or Robinson?

Tranmere have signed Kane Hemmings and Bristol Rovers have signed Ryan Loft. There's two straight away. Salford have also signed one but it's unfair to make comparisons there. I'm sure 1-2 more will come this week. Why on earth shouldn't we? We've just paid fees for two defenders.

Point being that we lost our first choice forwards around the Bradford game and have been in poor form since, unsurprisingly. 

In that time, we've signed two lads on loan with 4 league goals between, and have picked up 1 point from 9 since, scoring 1 wonder goal.

Edited by Joe B

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Reporting Posts and Ignoring Users

    Admin don't read everything. Don't assume we'll spot rule breaking. Please report posts and we'll act on ASAP. If you're logged in use the orange report post button. If you're not logged in, please use the contact form

    If you can't get on with another user you can "ignore" them. Follow the link, type in their username and save - Click here

    Check with admin if you wish to sell/auction any items. We're happy to support good causes but check first - Contact us here

  • Friends of OVF




×
×
  • Create New...