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16 minutes ago, SuperHuman said:

Out muscled, out ran, out thought. What on earth was that? Yes, I might be over reacting but I’m going to have a rant here.

We seem to have built a football side with absolutely no fight and no ability to go and have a battle. 

The midfield three are only useful when it’s going nice and we’re battering teams. A player like Labadie is just what we need. He absolutely ran that midfield and saw the game out for them. Pett and Conlon just don’t have that in them. I’m still yet to be convinced by Pett if I’m honest. Just give Walker a run in the team now.

Same story for the defence. Sick of seeing Cass being bullied now. Jones is insistent on thinking he’s Beckham, I’m sick of seeing him smash it to their centre halve. When he has to defend, is he actually that good? Their three centre halves would walk in our team. Big and dominant. 

On to the forwards. Clearly Proctor and Wilson are a massive miss. Politic didn’t have a clue where he was playing and hardly touched the ball. Amoo tries hard but never looks like scoring.

I’ve probably over reacted, been emotional and too harsh but I don’t care right now. I’m sick of Vale collapsing in and being crap in any slightly big game. This team so far is no different than any other Vale side in that sense. 

We go to Oldham with a massive following and come home embarrassed. Teams come to here and we gift them three points.

I await the backlash. 

No backlash from me either. A tad harsh at times (Pett has generally played well this season) but a fair few home truths that DC and Co need to reflect on:

*The 532 formation is now becoming too predictable and we've been found out - we need to vary it depending on who we're playing

*It's made up of too many physically weak players who don't seem up for a fight (tonight, only Smudger and Gibbo showed any)

*We need a much stronger, physically powerful spine to the team if we're going to get out of this bear pit

If we turn up on Saturday without a radical change of plan, formation and tactics, not to mention better selection, we'll see the same again.

Personally I'd like to see 433: Gibbo, Smith, Legge, Benning at the back; Walker, Pett and Garrity in midfield; and Wozza, Proctor and Amoo up front.

The player I've felt particular sympathy for this season is Wozza, played out of position, attacking threat nullified, and tonight subbed for his trouble.

 

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All those berating Wilson earlier in the season might of changed their minds now. He's pivotal to us. 

Only positive tonight was the return of Proc. 

The man of the match was obviously one of those nights where they put all the names in a bag and randomly picked one out. 

Understand somebody has to get it but only one candidate tonight , Covolan. 

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I can't deal with Garrity. His technical ability is not EFL standard. He is useful in tight away games but bar his 2 game goal spell he doesn't offer enough. Likeable grafter who we'll need in the run in but no more home starts for him, I am begging. 

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Its not just the lack of numbers but lack of noise. To quote Walsall fans its was like a library at times even before we went a goal down.
I know the players have to give you something to support but sometimes the players need a big pick me up when they are struggling and our support at home needs to be much better than that.

Our support tonight was terrible , , the same 2 or 3 10-15 year old songs , nothing new nothing inspiring


Walsall took the Michael on and off the field , very noisy and showed passion
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20 minutes ago, osprey said:

The ref good - Really? 
how can football be played if a foul is given for every slight touch / time wasting etc 

he never had control of the game 

It’s not the ref who was doing all the niggly fouls. And we were just as bad as them. Blaming officials is a smokescreen, we were awful, and deserved nothing 

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Fans could see this was going to be a scrappy, hard-tackling game, but our most robust and strongest players just sat on the bench. That makes no sense to me. Obviously we needed a bit of finesse, but we had neither tonight. Anyway, we’ll smash Hartlepool.

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shocking performance from our players and the officials. This was the same referee who sent Covolan off at Northampton. 
Does he have a problem with the Vale? Or does he just seek the limelight, the best referees are hardly noticed during a game, this one wanted to be centre stage. 
That’s not deflecting the blame for a piss poor performance by most of our players, Jones couldn’t pass water tonight, 

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1 minute ago, CambridgeDon said:

No backlash from me either. A tad harsh at times (Pett has generally played well this season) but a fair few home truths that DC and Co need to reflect on:

*The 532 formation is now becoming too predictable and we've been found out - we need to vary it depending on who we're playing

*It's made up of too many physically weak players who don't seem up for a fight (tonight, only Smudger and Gibbo showed any)

*We need a much stronger, physically powerful spine to the team if we're going to get out of this bear pit

If we turn up on Saturday without a radical change of plan, formation and tactics, not to mention better selection, we'll see the same again.

Personally I'd like to see 433: Gibbo, Smith, Legge, Benning at the back; Walker, Pett and Garrity in midfield; and Wozza, Proctor and Amoo up front.

The player I've felt particular sympathy for this season is Wozza, played out of position, attacking threat nullified, and tonight subbed for his trouble.

 

Not sure I would be playing Proctor, yes we have very little up front but we have to go very easy on him, we have so many matches in the coming weeks and we can't risk him breaking down.  I know there was no service to him but he looked like someone coming back from an injury and off it like everyone else. 

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9 minutes ago, MBE said:

Its not just the lack of numbers but lack of noise. To quote Walsall fans its was like a library at times even before we went a goal down.

I know the players have to give you something to support but sometimes the players need a big pick me up when they are struggling and our support at home needs to be much better than that.

Too many fans shouting your <ovf censored> at players when things not going to plan. I've never seen a player yet in any team to play better when your home fans keep saying you are <ovf censored>.

Honestly fans need to give the heads a wobble at times.

Those that didn’t go and cough up 22 quid made the right decision 

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5 minutes ago, Joe B said:

The absolutely infuriating thing is, is that if Dan Jones doesn't decide to go flying in to make up for his 965th misplaced pass of the night, we don't concede and the game ends in a dire 0-0 draw. That's how poor this league is.

We played the worst we've played in about 5 years and conceded one real chance, completely of one player's making. 

Frustrated. We're still 5th and 3 points from 2nd, which we all we deem 'outstanding' if offered pre-season. We've chucked away 8 points in three games and only dropped 3 places. It's horrendously tight so Clarke simply has to show his managerial credentials. This isn't the apocalypse but a massive warning sign that maybe things were going a little too easily for us. 

I’m not so sure I agree. From the Bycars they created a couple of chances 1st half that they ought to have taken, including one against the post. It was obvious they’d done their homework on us and got us completely sussed out and I can’t actually recall us creating a single chance, so they didn’t need to attack us. The really infuriating thing for me was that their No 24 was booked after, what, 10 mins against a card-happy ref and we NEVER put him under any pressure at all. Poor in every single aspect of the game tonight and we looked like a side very low on confidence after the weekend.

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1 hour ago, PVFC764 said:

From what Yates said on the radio it should have only been a yellow and warning.  But the ref made more of it and couldn't wait to get the red card out.

Walsall players have got away with throwing our players to the ground and in some cases more like full on assault.  

Conlon was a yellow. 2 yellows = Red

If we were unlucky with Conlon we were lucky with Smith. That was a red and we got away with it.

I wouldnt say they were throwing our players to the ground, i would say they were blowing on us and we fell over.

No effort no passion no blood and guts. They have been telling us all week what it will be like and we dont turn up.

D.C. failed completely tonight before we even start on players performance

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Just now, Biddulph_PV said:

I’m not so sure I agree. From the Bycars they created a couple of chances 1st half that they ought to have taken, including one against the post. It was obvious they’d done their homework on us and got us completely sussed out and I can’t actually recall us creating a single chance, so they didn’t need to attack us. The really infuriating thing for me was that their No 24 was booked after, what, 10 mins against a card-happy ref and we NEVER put him under any pressure at all. Poor in every single aspect of the game tonight and we looked like a side very low on confidence after the weekend.

They were chances that shouldn't be going in and they were sat in against 10 men. 

They created effectively nothing and took the one chance which Dan Jones put on a plate for us. That's how utterly awful we were. That performance deserved a 5-0 loss.

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