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Match Thread: Oldham Athletic v Port Vale


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8 minutes ago, Iron Curtain said:

Oldham Fan on Facebook just said we were the best side they have faced all season and we’re robbed.

It happens, football results are on a knife edge. promotion teams usually win by 2 or 3 goals  which we have been doing.  Lets see what the next 8 games bring.

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50 minutes ago, Beech said:

His biggest problem is, or one of them at least, is that he has absolutely zero footballing intelligence.

You might well be right. His decisions get locked in pretty early as well, he won’t change his mind as and when the situation develops. You wonder if he listens when coaches are trying to help him.

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4 hours ago, onestepatatime said:

By the way am I the only one to believe Garrity had a good game? I felt his running and urgency was sadly missed when he went off.

I spoke to a couple of Oldham fans on the way out and they felt he was one of our better players. 

No you're right but he went down with a knock so maybe that's why he was substituted I'd hope it wasn't do to effort or quality he was the best of the 3 on the park yesterday.

Conlon not at his best and I'd have taken him off has we needed a change in the middle of the park.  Not sure I'd have taken Worrall off either.

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6 hours ago, Joe B said:

This would be right if any of the goals came from conventional crosses, but one was from a deep central cross on a second ball from a set piece, one was a shot from the edge of the box which was headed into his own net by Martin, and one was from a set piece. Nothing to do with 'wing-backs closing down crosses', as none of them were wide area crosses in open play. You've either misremembered the goals or you are just making up reasons to shift from a system which has worked very well for the vast majority of games.

Was anyone questioning the system when we were 1 defeat in 12 and scoring 4 every week? Or is it classic 'systematic overhaul needed' every time we lose, just like Sutton?

Just like to add ,  Martin has started 5 league games for us , Northampton,Rochdale Oldham Mansfield and Forest Green .W1 L3 D1.  Not been too impressed with him or Johnson up to now.

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I know I'm stating the obvious, but having re-watched the highlights(lowlights probably more accurate!) our defending yesterday was a horror movie. Oldham don't forget, is a team that until yesterday, had the lowest goals scored so far this season in this league, yet we managed to 'gift' them 3 goals--i.e. 25% of their previous total of 12--they must have thought Christmas has arrived early! Why oh why can't we close down a game when we're leading with only a few minutes to go? We gifted Sutton in similar fashion at their place a few weeks ago.  Please Darrell get it sorted. I don't want to hear you stating the obvious in your post match interview about our failings in defending inside the box--it's your job to put that right!

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6 hours ago, Biddulph_PV said:

I don’t think that is correct, because either way it amounts to the same thing,  expecting the ball to come into the box and having three CB’s rather than two to deal with it. If you play with conventional full backs, then surely you would expect these to work on the wingers to reduce the number of crosses coming in?? 

I'm no fan of the 3-5-2 system and have posted before that it is hard to argue against a system that's got us to 2nd in the table. However no one knows where we would be playing 4 at the back, top and 5 points clear or midtable!!!

Three at the back could have cost us the first goal but the last two goals were from set pieces and all the Vale players were back defending.

For their first goal their No2 skipped around Pett as though he wasn't there and put the ball in the box, there were only 3 Vale players in the box and 4 Oldham players. Cass was the wrong side of Piergianni and outside the left hand post, Martin was in no man's land and the other Vale defender in the middle of the Vale goal was Worrall, no Jones in sight. Header from Piergianni back across the goal over Martin and Worrall and a free header for their player into the net.

With 4 at the back the 2 center backs are usually true center backs who are "good" in the air and occupy more space across the box and hence potentially there may/would've been another Vale player (to head the ball away) between Worrall and the Oldham player who scored.

For me the game changed when Oldham moved Piergianni up front and Vale couldn't cope with his physicality and ability in the air.  There's gonna be ups and downs, we can't expect a "Cake walk".

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6 hours ago, soothsayer said:

Personally, for his first full game back for a while I thought he did ok. He certainly wasn’t the reason we lost that game as rank poor defending was the reason for that. 
The trouble with Devante’s season is it has got going. First an a three game suspension, then a personal issue and then an injury. I really don’t think people should be writing the lad off as it’ll be another few games before he’s match sharp.

 

Good evening soothsayer,

One hopes that you are keeping well.

Jeff has seen many things in his time, especially when at sea. He's seen things that are good and things that are bad. What Jeff saw from Devante Rodney on Saturday he certainly wouldn't consider as "ok". 

The trouble with Devante's season for Jeff would be that he's been absolutely terrible.

All the very best,

Jeff.

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8 hours ago, Jeff. said:

Good morning fellow Valiants,

One hopes you are all keeping well on what is a fine autumnal morning.

Jeff would just like to take the opportunity to ask the delightful people on this platform if anybody knows who is responsible for telling Devante Rodney that he is of a good enough standard to play professional football?

As the individual who made this evaluation needs to take a trip out to sea with Captain Jeff, where we will have a chat and reflect on the regrettable decisions we have made in life. Returning to shore as wiser folk.

All the very best,

Jeff.

It is nice to see you back with your words of wisdom Captain Jeff. May one enquire if Sting may also be reconnecting with us shortly?

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23 hours ago, Iron Curtain said:

Colchester are the only team on that list that could be classified as one of the worst teams in the league… and they RAVE about George and claim that without him they would have been dead and buried already.

He’s a good keeper. 

Of the other teams Tranmere, Orient, Swindon and Hartlepool are not “the worst teams in the league”… the contrary infact.

That leaves Salford… Tom King is someone a few on here were touting as a good signing for us and is a good keeper.

And that leaves Mansfield. I don’t know lots and lots about Bishop. But he is in good company in that list.


I get your point, but 7 clean sheets certainly shows Covolan is doing well (let’s not forget the meltdown about how poor our defence is on here tonight), total saves also backs that up for a team 3rd in the league.

You can attack Prevented goals for its loose interpretation… but it’s certainly not “absolutely meaningless”

 

Will agree to disagree on this. 

GK is so much more than shot stopping ( I still don't think Cov is good at this level at it). George tops the list is a decent shot stopper but is not a good all round keeper at this level.

Cov is still the weak link in our team and( nothing to do with Sat and I'm not suggesting he should be replaced by Stone) to imply he's one of the better GK's in the league using these stats is very misleading which is why I think they are absolutely meaningless.

 

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2 minutes ago, MBE said:

Will agree to disagree on this. 

GK is so much more than shot stopping ( I still don't think Cov is good at this level at it). George tops the list is a decent shot stopper but is not a good all round keeper at this level.

Cov is still the weak link in our team and( nothing to do with Sat and I'm not suggesting he should be replaced by Stone) to imply he's one of the better GK's in the league using these stats is very misleading which is why I think they are absolutely meaningless.

 

Those things outside of shot stopping are some of the areas Covolan is better than the average.

He’s decent. The stats back him up.

Football fans, vale fans in particular have a need for someone to target their frustrations at and in some people’s eyes he will never shake the sendings off. 

But yes, let’s agree to disagree because to call him the weak link, even before the narrative of lacking a commanding centre half, is very wrong in my opinion.

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3 minutes ago, Iron Curtain said:

Those things outside of shot stopping are some of the areas Covolan is better than the average.

He’s decent. The stats back him up.

Football fans, vale fans in particular have a need for someone to target their frustrations at and in some people’s eyes he will never shake the sendings off. 

But yes, let’s agree to disagree because to call him the weak link, even before the narrative of lacking a commanding centre half, is very wrong in my opinion.

My view of Cov as our weak link has nothing to do with one sending off or with our CB's inability to deal with high balls in the box.

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9 minutes ago, PV1973 said:

Loads of knicker wetting, over reactions and finger pointing going on after a defeat. Can’t wait til tuesdays game to get this hysteria out of the way. 

Hopefully we can recreate the form after our last shock injury time loss at Sutton!

UTV

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I wasn't going to say anything as I think most of what has been said  is fair. Yesterday was dissapointing but we absolutely bossed the game until they tried the only thing avaiable to them - lump it into the box and hope. For me, if Devante had of put the chance away that he somehow skied, they would not have come back into it. Not that I blame him for the loss, its just that it was the easiest of the chances we had to put the game to bed.

My beef is with the ratings on the front page....

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Sorry, but that is harsh. 2 marks lower than any of the other starters - really? Jones and Cass as the people either side of the middle man and who are allowed to come forward get 5 and 6's... Where was Cass for the first? Didn't show much strength for the second either. Yet somehow its Martin who is to blame? Come on, stop scapegoating.

We let three goals in and unfortunately the third was another bizzarre own goal. He tried to do the right thing and instinctively throw himself at the ball to prevent the scuffed shot going towards the net. Right attitude, unlucky..  I thought he did a decent job for someone coming back into the side.

I love our sprit, I love that we are playing football. The worst team got away with it yesterday. Good luck to them. They need it.

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