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18 minutes ago, MBE said:

This kind of formula stat's for GK's are absolutely meaningless.  

I would suggest that list contains some of the best keepers in our league… so they can’t be that bad a guide.

They need to be taken with some context but they are certainly not “absolutely meaningless”

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From Oldham forum: 

Bizzare game. Vale into us quickly and physically and as expected score from a move out wide and cross into the box. 

We equalise and the stop start nature of the first half stops Vale building pressure. 

2nd half they pile pressure down the flanks score and create more chances.

Then at the end we use pidge in the air and they fall to pieces from set plays again... Never seen a team so weak in the air.. 

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2 minutes ago, osprey said:

From Oldham forum: 

Bizzare game. Vale into us quickly and physically and as expected score from a move out wide and cross into the box. 

We equalise and the stop start nature of the first half stops Vale building pressure. 

2nd half they pile pressure down the flanks score and create more chances.

Then at the end we use pidge in the air and they fall to pieces from set plays again... Never seen a team so weak in the air.. 

Seems to say  everything that everyone knows....hello process?

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3 minutes ago, Aguar61 said:

Seems to say  everything that everyone knows....hello process?

Just watched the highlights. Our defence would not hold up in the Half Holiday league. It’s ok saying it’s one result, it’s more like 4 matches we have been targeted, and beaten by high balls. Let’s hope something triggers a change this time.

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3 minutes ago, osprey said:

From Oldham forum: 

Bizzare game. Vale into us quickly and physically and as expected score from a move out wide and cross into the box. 

We equalise and the stop start nature of the first half stops Vale building pressure. 

2nd half they pile pressure down the flanks score and create more chances.

Then at the end we use pidge in the air and they fall to pieces from set plays again... Never seen a team so weak in the air.. 

Spot on from them - and the secret's out: aerial bombardment and the free-flowing Vale fall to pieces. To be honest, I've almost stopped wanting us to play attractive football and simply find the way to win. I don't think I care any longer if we kick teams off the pitch - goodness knows, it happens to us enough - as long as we take the three points. Ugly, hard and winners.

Any chance of a central spine of players like McCombe, Purse, Griff, Porter and Mills? We need to be as ruthless on the pitch as DC was off it in the close season. We've been in this bear pit of a league for five seasons and we need to get out, whatever it takes. 

Starting Tuesday.

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19 minutes ago, osprey said:

From Oldham forum: 

Bizzare game. Vale into us quickly and physically and as expected score from a move out wide and cross into the box. 

We equalise and the stop start nature of the first half stops Vale building pressure. 

2nd half they pile pressure down the flanks score and create more chances.

Then at the end we use pidge in the air and they fall to pieces from set plays again... Never seen a team so weak in the air.. 

 

He's pretty much bang on.

We do play some lovely stuff at times though. Even in such dissapointing defeats it's important to remember the shower we've all endured season after season in recent years. This team is generally a joy to watch, we just need to also toughen up a bit and stop giving such soft goals away.

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13 minutes ago, tommytunstall said:

Just watched the highlights. Our defence would not hold up in the Half Holiday league. It’s ok saying it’s one result, it’s more like 4 matches we have been targeted, and beaten by high balls. Let’s hope something triggers a change this time.

There were some good players in that half holiday league, that played Thursday afternoons

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I do think the defensive frailty relates to the attacking menace. We have Worrall, Cass and Gibbons bombing forward and need to outscore the opposition. If you’re vulnerable to crosses stop them at source with boring, in position fullbacks. I know Worrall was subbed today but sometimes those substitutions more upset the balance than improve the defence at later stages of a game. It’s a price worth paying when we do outscore or demoralise the opposition which up to now has been the norm. So, little picture big? I’m happy.

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Just now, tommytunstall said:

Sorry did not mean to be disrespectful 

I didn’t take it as being disrespectful, I took it as how poorly our central defence performed today. Oldham didn’t appear to be an overly tall team either. There centre midfielder, centre back and goal keeper are tall, so I struggle to comprehend how we perform so badly with crossed balls.

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41 minutes ago, Iron Curtain said:

I would suggest that list contains some of the best keepers in our league… so they can’t be that bad a guide.

They need to be taken with some context but they are certainly not “absolutely meaningless”

The list contains some of the worst teams in the league. It's ONLY means the keeper has faced more opportunities to make a save. Not that he is any good.

The formula to calculate goal prevention is nonsense which is why its meaningless.

 

 

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20 minutes ago, MBE said:

The list contains some of the worst teams in the league. It's ONLY means the keeper has faced more opportunities to make a save. Not that he is any good.

The formula to calculate goal prevention is nonsense which is why its meaningless.

 

 

Colchester are the only team on that list that could be classified as one of the worst teams in the league… and they RAVE about George and claim that without him they would have been dead and buried already.

He’s a good keeper. 

Of the other teams Tranmere, Orient, Swindon and Hartlepool are not “the worst teams in the league”… the contrary infact.

That leaves Salford… Tom King is someone a few on here were touting as a good signing for us and is a good keeper.

And that leaves Mansfield. I don’t know lots and lots about Bishop. But he is in good company in that list.


I get your point, but 7 clean sheets certainly shows Covolan is doing well (let’s not forget the meltdown about how poor our defence is on here tonight), total saves also backs that up for a team 3rd in the league.

You can attack Prevented goals for its loose interpretation… but it’s certainly not “absolutely meaningless”

UTV

 

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29 minutes ago, MBE said:

The list contains some of the worst teams in the league. It's ONLY means the keeper has faced more opportunities to make a save. Not that he is any good.

The formula to calculate goal prevention is nonsense which is why its meaningless.

 

 

There are also a lot of keepers from the worst sides in the league who are not on that list.

The keepers of 4 of the 5 bottom teams don’t appear.

6 of the bottom 7.

9 in the bottom 12 (aka bottom half of the table)

Not sure that particular point of yours stands.

 

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6th in the league for prevented goals. 3rd for saves out of the top performing keepers. 2nd for clean sheets.

Albeit before today’s game… that said he did make some decent saves today too. 
Fair enough.

Just feels like I see a lot of goals Vale concede and think "keeper could have done better".

Off the top of my head, Barrows freekick, Crawley header, Mansfield away felt like this.

Only a question mark though, not a witch hunt.

Problems lie at CB for me. Johnson was such a strange one. Played so well in the league below, good size, 5 goals last season, good age to develop but just hasn't got going for some reason.

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