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6 minutes ago, mr.hobblesworth said:

What she says is fine, not that I'd expect someone as thick as mince to appreciate that. The irony of someone typing "she is the type of idiots" whilst questioning the intelligence of someone else...

Give me DA over the likes of Patel or previous incumbents. She may have got a sum wrong but at least she wouldn't be instigating the Hostile Environment, deporting Britons to countries they'd never even visited, engaging in the unlawful detention and deportation of asylum seekers, bullying colleagues, breaching ministerial code or campaigning for the tobacco industry. 

Whilst I'm here, I may as well say I'd also prefer Thornberry to this absolute <ovf censored> brain.
 

 

I see you're still fighting in the "Corbyn trenches".  That era has surely passed? 

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3 minutes ago, Bycarsbill said:

I see you're still fighting in the "Corbyn trenches".  That era has surely passed? 

Pointing out a snide/ stupid comment about DA is 'fighting in the Corbyn trenches'? Bit of an odd thing to say. I'm still a socialist, yes. Why would that have changed? Did you think I'd had some damascene conversion seeing how scum like Johnson and Starmer were going about their business?

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9 minutes ago, mr.hobblesworth said:

Pointing out a snide/ stupid comment about DA is 'fighting in the Corbyn trenches'? Bit of an odd thing to say. I'm still a socialist, yes. Why would that have changed? Did you think I'd had some damascene conversion seeing how scum like Johnson and Starmer were going about their business?

Never for one minute did I think that you, of all people, would experience a "Damascene conversion" but I didn't realise that you had so much bitterness toward the 'saintly' Sir Kier.  You clearly don't see him delivering you to "the promised land". 

He strikes me as someone, although 'grey' in character, who is beginning to give some credence to the Labour Party and his sensible move to position the party nearer to the centre ground of politics in this country is surely much needed as a counter-weight to the barmpot Boris?  At least it gives Labour the outside chance of election into government?  Something that very evidently, was never going to happen with Corbyn leading the party!

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3 hours ago, philpvfc said:

I think some of the going’s on at number 10 he was unaware of, that’s what I was pointing out regarding Starmer, at the end of the day he should have. Johnson should step down, not so much for what he has done or said but for the fact he is not a leader and cannot even control what goes on under his watch, like I said, he need to shoulder some of the blame. When Starmer was in control of the CPS he should have been aware of what was going on, the Saville incident is just one of many at this time and he needs to take some of the blame. Should Starmer step down, no, and I hope he leads the Labour Party in to the next election and sorts out the <ovf censored> he has within the party.

I see Abbott has opened her gob again….. she is the type of idiots that drag the Labour Party down, imagine her as Home Secretary had Labour won the last election!

 

 

Oh dear,is this the same person who said Chairman Mao "did more good than harm"?

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3 hours ago, philpvfc said:

Totally fine In refurbing number 11 (works home) as long as it was not from the tax payers money.

A PM is employed and housed by the tax-payer, it is only correct that he/she would receive an allowance to decorate/refurb etc £30k p.a., from the tax-payer to suit his/her taste / life style during the working week. If that is insufficient he/she would need to fund it him/herself. Begging from other people leaves a PM open to corruption.

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56 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:

A PM is employed and housed by the tax-payer, it is only correct that he/she would receive an allowance to decorate/refurb etc £30k p.a., from the tax-payer to suit his/her taste / life style during the working week. If that is insufficient he/she would need to fund it him/herself. Begging from other people leaves a PM open to corruption.

I also wonder what they think about Johnson being recorded conspiring with someone to have a journalist beaten up, too....??

I also wonder what they think of Johnson lying about Jennifer Accuri and paying her a shed load of cash while having an affair with her ...??

 

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1 hour ago, For Us All said:

Oh dear,is this the same person who said Chairman Mao "did more good than harm"?

I think a war may be less destructive than killing between 15,000,000 and 55,000,000 of your own people between 1958-1962.

It's possible Mao killed more people than Stalin and Hitler together.

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1 hour ago, Bycarsbill said:

Never for one minute did I think that you, of all people, would experience a "Damascene conversion" but I didn't realise that you had so much bitterness toward the 'saintly' Sir Kier.  You clearly don't see him delivering you to "the promised land". 

He strikes me as someone, although 'grey' in character, who is beginning to give some credence to the Labour Party and his sensible move to position the party nearer to the centre ground of politics in this country is surely much needed as a counter-weight to the barmpot Boris?  At least it gives Labour the outside chance of election into government?  Something that very evidently, was never going to happen with Corbyn leading the party!

I'm not bitter, just pretty disgusted. If Starmer had gone for leader whilst proclaiming that he would drag the party to the right, purge the left, target the previous leader, renege on his election pledges, near enough bankrupt the party and take advice from Peter "friend of Jeffrey Epstein" Mandelson then I guess I wouldn't be so hacked off. As it was, he presented himself as a friend and supporter of Corbyn, stated he wanted to build on the '17 and '19 manifestos and got the votes from the generally left-wing membership so he could lead the party. The guy is a bare-faced liar. The footage of him from the leadership campaign, saying how he was in favour of nationalising energy companies and paying tribute to Corbyn, all utter lies. His membership of the trilateral commission should have been a red flag as should his refusal to disclose who was funding his campaign, but I think parts of the membership were so desperate for Corbynism without JC's baggage that they overlooked this. He's hollowed the party out now and I think we're closer to the centrists in the tory party that they are to the right of their party, which is mission accomplished I guess. Energy companies, bad employers, landlords, tax-avoiders and hawks will be delighted, the vulnerable and those aware of how the planet is <ovf censored>, less so.

I don't post on here too much any more, partly because I find some of the posters genuinely odious whose posts I rarely see thanks to the ignore button, but also because I'm sick of banging my head against a wall. The persistent claim from you (& others on here) that Corbyn would never win is demonstrable bullsht. Biggest post-war vote surge in 2017 and came within a gnat's teste of winning.

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1 hour ago, mr.hobblesworth said:

I'm not bitter, just pretty disgusted. If Starmer had gone for leader whilst proclaiming that he would drag the party to the right, purge the left, target the previous leader, renege on his election pledges, near enough bankrupt the party and take advice from Peter "friend of Jeffrey Epstein" Mandelson then I guess I wouldn't be so hacked off. As it was, he presented himself as a friend and supporter of Corbyn, stated he wanted to build on the '17 and '19 manifestos and got the votes from the generally left-wing membership so he could lead the party. The guy is a bare-faced liar. The footage of him from the leadership campaign, saying how he was in favour of nationalising energy companies and paying tribute to Corbyn, all utter lies. His membership of the trilateral commission should have been a red flag as should his refusal to disclose who was funding his campaign, but I think parts of the membership were so desperate for Corbynism without JC's baggage that they overlooked this. He's hollowed the party out now and I think we're closer to the centrists in the tory party that they are to the right of their party, which is mission accomplished I guess. Energy companies, bad employers, landlords, tax-avoiders and hawks will be delighted, the vulnerable and those aware of how the planet is <ovf censored>, less so.

I don't post on here too much any more, partly because I find some of the posters genuinely odious whose posts I rarely see thanks to the ignore button, but also because I'm sick of banging my head against a wall. The persistent claim from you (& others on here) that Corbyn would never win is demonstrable bullsht. Biggest post-war vote surge in 2017 and came within a gnat's teste of winning.

Wow--bitterness personified I would say.  Most of the bulshit is emanating from you I'm afraid.  Corbyn never was the answer and you  too easily overlook the fact that the 2019 general election was the worst ever result for Labour since 1935.  Socialism of the kind that you & Corbyn espouse never will be in charge of this country--I am (along, I suspect with many others) only too happy to accept and be thankful for that fact.

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Socialism is truly evil.

 

There's a reason the only people who they can get to vote for it are rebellious students who soon grow out of it when they start earning their own money.

 

It's about time we treated it with the disdain as fascism. It's killed more people in the last century yet never seems to die. 

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5 hours ago, mr.hobblesworth said:

I'm not bitter, just pretty disgusted. If Starmer had gone for leader whilst proclaiming that he would drag the party to the right, purge the left, target the previous leader, renege on his election pledges, near enough bankrupt the party and take advice from Peter "friend of Jeffrey Epstein" Mandelson then I guess I wouldn't be so hacked off. As it was, he presented himself as a friend and supporter of Corbyn, stated he wanted to build on the '17 and '19 manifestos and got the votes from the generally left-wing membership so he could lead the party. The guy is a bare-faced liar. The footage of him from the leadership campaign, saying how he was in favour of nationalising energy companies and paying tribute to Corbyn, all utter lies. His membership of the trilateral commission should have been a red flag as should his refusal to disclose who was funding his campaign, but I think parts of the membership were so desperate for Corbynism without JC's baggage that they overlooked this. He's hollowed the party out now and I think we're closer to the centrists in the tory party that they are to the right of their party, which is mission accomplished I guess. Energy companies, bad employers, landlords, tax-avoiders and hawks will be delighted, the vulnerable and those aware of how the planet is <ovf censored>, less so.

I don't post on here too much any more, partly because I find some of the posters genuinely odious whose posts I rarely see thanks to the ignore button, but also because I'm sick of banging my head against a wall. The persistent claim from you (& others on here) that Corbyn would never win is demonstrable bullsht. Biggest post-war vote surge in 2017 and came within a gnat's teste of winning.

Yes, but how did he do in the second election once the Conservatives became less cocky and put a manifesto together with just slightly less lies than Labour came up with?

Face it, Socialism will never get in to power in this country, you’re thinking is in a minority and thank god it is!.

You go on about Starmer going against his word, look at Corbyn campaigning against EU membership all these years, he didn’t stick with that when it came to the crunch, he’s a none conformist, anything the Government or Tories propose he will go against, he would be the first in the queue campaigning with the anti- Vaxers had he not been silenced by his own party. 

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3 hours ago, Regal Beagle said:

Socialism is truly evil.

It's about time we treated it with the disdain as fascism. It's killed more people in the last century yet never seems to die. 

Here, here, especially those National Socialists!

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3 hours ago, Regal Beagle said:

Socialism is truly evil.

 

There's a reason the only people who they can get to vote for it are rebellious students who soon grow out of it when they start earning their own money.

 

It's about time we treated it with the disdain as fascism. It's killed more people in the last century yet never seems to die. 

Pity the far right are just as bad, and it's what we have now with Johnson & Co, the far left and far right are opposite sides of the same coin. 

Just listen to the pair of you...?? And we wonder why we're in such a <ovf censored> state as a country. 

 

Fukc me!

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2 hours ago, philpvfc said:

Yes, but how did he do in the second election once the Conservatives became less cocky and put a manifesto together with just slightly less lies than Labour came up with?

Face it, Socialism will never get in to power in this country, you’re thinking is in a minority and thank god it is!.

You go on about Starmer going against his word, look at Corbyn campaigning against EU membership all these years, he didn’t stick with that when it came to the crunch, he’s a none conformist, anything the Government or Tories propose he will go against, he would be the first in the queue campaigning with the anti- Vaxers had he not been silenced by his own party. 

How are you defining Socialism? Is Starmer a Socialist? Is John McDonnel more of a Socialist? Was Tony Blair a Socialist?

With so little to lose wouldn't you think that there is very little from preventing  Jeremy Corbyn from being at the front of that queue you mentioned. Why do you think he is an Anti-Vaxer? Any evidence per chance?

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3 minutes ago, Dr Delgado said:

How are you defining Socialism? Is Starmer a Socialist? Is John McDonnel more of a Socialist? Was Tony Blair a Socialist?

With so little to lose wouldn't you think that there is very little from preventing  Jeremy Corbyn from being at the front of that queue you mentioned. Why do you think he is an Anti-Vaxer? Any evidence per chance?

I wouldn’t describe Starmer as a socialist, he is more center left, similar to Blair. McDonnel I would say is a socialist and fits in with Corbyn. I was making a point that Corbyn is anti regime, he has protested throughout his life and will never side with the Government even if it makes sense to. I don’t know if he is anti-vax or not but he may well be if only to protest against the Government.

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Very hard to argue with any of the points made in this.  

THIS is what we have descended to and what some of you are happy to try and defend.  How morally bankrupt you must be to do so...

 

 

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