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Match Thread: Port Vale v Bradford City


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Ben Garrity scored late on v Swindon and i think he was playing well second half ,I think bringing him off was the mistake along with Amoo ok Amoo wasn't winning balls in the air but he was direct with his running and got Vale into good positions .
As my lad rightly said Garrity and Politic are excellent players today DC has made the wrong subs he could have brought on Legge for aerial power in both boxes and Politic for the ability to go past players and create space for others in doing so .
Wilson going off also disrupted our rhythm as I didn't feel Bradford were troubling us at all apart from a flashing header from a corner just wide we were beginning to find our play .
Last 25 of first half we were getting our game together with Gibbons and Conlon forcing excellent saves from there keeper .

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10 minutes ago, Breadwinner said:

Ben Garrity scored late on v Swindon and i think he was playing well second half ,I think bringing him off was the mistake along with Amoo ok Amoo wasn't winning balls in the air but he was direct with his running and got Vale into good positions .
As my lad rightly said Garrity and Politic are excellent players today DC has made the wrong subs he could have brought on Legge for aerial power in both boxes and Politic for the ability to go past players and create space for others in doing so .
Wilson going off also disrupted our rhythm as I didn't feel Bradford were troubling us at all apart from a flashing header from a corner just wide we were beginning to find our play .
Last 25 of first half we were getting our game together with Gibbons and Conlon forcing excellent saves from there keeper .

Garrity breaks play up and gives us some added height in midfield but Clarke has gambled on Taylor providing a bit more quality.  Amoo was providing a physical presence but might have been knackered.

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8 minutes ago, Breadwinner said:

Ben Garrity scored late on v Swindon and i think he was playing well second half ,I think bringing him off was the mistake along with Amoo ok Amoo wasn't winning balls in the air but he was direct with his running and got Vale into good positions .
As my lad rightly said Garrity and Politic are excellent players today DC has made the wrong subs he could have brought on Legge for aerial power in both boxes and Politic for the ability to go past players and create space for others in doing so .
Wilson going off also disrupted our rhythm as I didn't feel Bradford were troubling us at all apart from a flashing header from a corner just wide we were beginning to find our play .
Last 25 of first half we were getting our game together with Gibbons and Conlon forcing excellent saves from there keeper .

Legge wasn’t even on the bench to bring on. He isn’t match fit yet for league duty. It wasn’t poor subs, it was bad luck. He made his two subs but then Wilson was injured and had told Clarke he was fine (Clarke mentions this in his post match interview) so he thought he was okay to make the subs he did. Wilson goes down and he is forced to make his third sub and had to bring on an attacking player. It’s one of those, if Wilson was okay he probably would have had him out on the pitch for 90 minutes and brought Politic on but his hand was forced. 
 

Regarding the talk on Cass, there’s no doubt he’s a superb player. Just glides around the pitch but he had a bad game today. Every player has them but talk about bad recruitment etc is madness. What he offers the team on top of his defensive duties is the ability to drive forward with the ball, it’s an additional attacking player and Jones seems to sit back in a more centralised role when he pushes up. He is quality, he’s young, he will mess up every now and again but we are lucky to have him in the team because if we don’t sign him and Newcastle get rid, he won’t be playing in League 2 next season. 
 

The goal we conceded was a bit of a mess though. This isn’t a knee-jerk reaction and I’m not panicking but I have noticed that when we do concede it’s crosses into the box (Sutton is a great example). Legge, when fit will offer that aerial cover but he won’t be able to play every minute for the rest of the season. Smudge ran the ball out of the area and then gave it Bradford back, out of position the ball is crossed into the box and Cass isn’t able to get his head on it. 
 

Covolan’s save at the end was magnificent. I was in line with it in the Paddock. I think it went through someone’s legs, would have seen it late and he made got down so quick to his right. 
 

What I love about this team is, even when it was 1-1, our attack had been stripped back with necessary subs, I still felt we could win it. They are instilling a belief in the fans that anything is possible. 

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The goal conceded today was down to smith not putting the ball out into touch and also bring our best header as a defender then being out of position when the ball comes in from the cross 

not blaming him as such just that was what happened 

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23 minutes ago, southport vale said:

Today DC got it wrong. Never seen us play such long ball as today under him. Very
surprised the pressing game was lacking. When we went 1up should have brought on Legge. The more I see Rodney the more he reminds me off JJ Hooper he seems to have regressed

How can you bring on a player who wasn't on the bench.

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14 hours ago, knapperm said:

People blaming Smith for their goal, yes he should have put it into the stand but Cass should have done a lot better on the cross and put Angol under pressure rather than a free header.

I think a mistake was made in not bringing Martin on tbh(Wilsons injury didn't help) as he would of been with Angol to at least challenge with him and then who knows what would of happened...hindsight is a wonderful thing i guess

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7 hours ago, southport vale said:

Today DC got it wrong. Never seen us play such long ball as today under him. Very
surprised the pressing game was lacking. When we went 1up should have brought on Legge. The more I see Rodney the more he reminds me off JJ Hooper he seems to have regressed

Bought Legge on , he wasn’t on the bench!!!

would of won with better refereeing and more clinical finishing but Bradford will be more happier with that result , reading some on here you’d think we’d lost ! When I looked we are still second 

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Gordon Bennet there are a lot of what ifs and he should have done this and that. If Lloyd had of been a bit more composed and put the chance away we would all be singing a different tune. We were not at our best we did not have the rub of the green we made a lot of very silly mistakes. Bradford have a decent squad and a top manager but there were no better than us we had by far the best chances. Yes would have liked 3points but we still got 1 on to Oldham for an other tough match ! And it’s not going to be a walk in the park ! If we are back to our best we can get three points anything less and we could be embarrassed.

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53 minutes ago, ethan and archies dad said:

Pundits on quest have said Bradford should have had two sent off
The centre half who was yellow carded should have had a second one
The other centre half elbowed Lloyd in the face
The keeper won the ball when 1 on 1 with Rodney

We all knew that, only person who didn’t was the ref.

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Legge wasn’t even on the bench to bring on. He isn’t match fit yet for league duty. It wasn’t poor subs, it was bad luck. He made his two subs but then Wilson was injured and had told Clarke he was fine (Clarke mentions this in his post match interview) so he thought he was okay to make the subs he did. Wilson goes down and he is forced to make his third sub and had to bring on an attacking player. It’s one of those, if Wilson was okay he probably would have had him out on the pitch for 90 minutes and brought Politic on but his hand was forced. 
 
Regarding the talk on Cass, there’s no doubt he’s a superb player. Just glides around the pitch but he had a bad game today. Every player has them but talk about bad recruitment etc is madness. What he offers the team on top of his defensive duties is the ability to drive forward with the ball, it’s an additional attacking player and Jones seems to sit back in a more centralised role when he pushes up. He is quality, he’s young, he will mess up every now and again but we are lucky to have him in the team because if we don’t sign him and Newcastle get rid, he won’t be playing in League 2 next season. 
 
The goal we conceded was a bit of a mess though. This isn’t a knee-jerk reaction and I’m not panicking but I have noticed that when we do concede it’s crosses into the box (Sutton is a great example). Legge, when fit will offer that aerial cover but he won’t be able to play every minute for the rest of the season. Smudge ran the ball out of the area and then gave it Bradford back, out of position the ball is crossed into the box and Cass isn’t able to get his head on it. 
 
Covolan’s save at the end was magnificent. I was in line with it in the Paddock. I think it went through someone’s legs, would have seen it late and he made got down so quick to his right. 
 
What I love about this team is, even when it was 1-1, our attack had been stripped back with necessary subs, I still felt we could win it. They are instilling a belief in the fans that anything is possible. 
Was running late so didn't get look at subs bench was surprised see Rodney come on personally.
Legge could have added a lot more to that game when we were crap I'm sure it was his defensive excellence which always gave Vale a chance in games so be glad when he is back in the fold although Smith has being this season under DC excellent (long may it continue )I'd have Legge over him every time .
We have 2 play Cass and Jones in a 3 as there distribution as being the first contact is so very important yesterday it wasn't as good as whst it usually is and when we did find our players we played in spells excellently as last 25 in first half showed.
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11 hours ago, valefan79 said:

Don't think we will agree on this one and fair enough your entitled to your opinion.  I agree with everything Clarke usually does but for me maybe got this one wrong today. Politic can play anywhere across the front 3 and while defensively probably offers nothing, neither does Rodney, think their defence would have been more troubled by the trickery of Politic.  Anyway despite not been at our best today, was important not to lose and I am sure Bradford will be up there towards the end of season and 3 big games coming up where if we play to how we can, I have no doubt we can be getting be getting 7 or 9 points.

Fair enough brother…. Let’s all get to Oldham for three more points.

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Legge getting more and more like Maldini the longer he's out !! 

Whilst he has a part to play and was playing well can we remember with him in the side we drew every game. He only played 3 times before his injury. 

I like Legge and we needed him particularly at Sutton but let's not go all doe eyed that he's something he isn't. 

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3 minutes ago, darren1810 said:

Legge getting more and more like Maldini the longer he's out !! 

Whilst he has a part to play and was playing well can we remember with him in the side we drew every game. He only played 3 times before his injury. 

I like Legge and we needed him particularly at Sutton but let's not go all doe eyed that he's something he isn't. 

I agree its over the top with Legge although we do generally lack height in the team at present.We really needed a bit of height yesterday in both boxes . I think DC mentioned in his interview he would have bought Martin on in response to Angol if he could have made another sub and we probably would have seen the game out then. 

I think fans have to remember Cass and Jones are the best ball players in defence and have been crucial in our play.Neither played well yesterday so we lost our good passing play because of it. We have looked a far better more offensive team with Cass at RCB rather than Smith since Legge was out with injury. This is no dig at Smith but from a possession view point it's noticeable how teams let him have the ball because he isn't going to hurt them where as Cass and Jones are closed down very quickly.

When all CB's are fit and available it's going to be a really interesting selection dilema. I believe DC is going to chop and change it depending on the opposition which he has not really been able to do.

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1 minute ago, MBE said:

I agree its over the top with Legge although we do generally lack height in the team at present.We really needed a bit of height yesterday in both boxes . I think DC mentioned in his interview he would have bought Martin on in response to Angol if he could have made another sub and we probably would have seen the game out then. 

I think fans have to remember Cass and Jones are the best ball players in defence and have been crucial in our play.Neither played well yesterday so we lost our good passing play because of it. We have looked a far better more offensive team with Cass at RCB rather than Smith since Legge was out with injury. This is no dig at Smith but from a possession view point it's noticeable how teams let him have the ball because he isn't going to hurt them where as Cass and Jones are closed down very quickly.

When all CB's are fit and available it's going to be a really interesting selection dilema. I believe DC is going to chop and change it depending on the opposition which he has not really been able to do.

Yes spot on with Smith. But also because of Clarke seemingly liking a ball playing centre half at home then Legge doesn't fit that remit either. 

He's definitely got a part to play and I hope it doesn't come across that I don't rate him because I do. 

Ideal yesterday to combat Angol and ideal at Sutton to combat the hoofs . 

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I reckon this is part of the reason why good runs of form come to an end.

With the levels of scrutiny employed, opponents work out strengths and weaknesses and devise ways of stopping opponents.

Hence Smith gets to see lots of the ball yesterday, whilst other defenders are closed down, and pathways to midfield are blocked.

Football is more like chess these days!

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