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22 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

Glad to see you consider the BBC to be a reliable source. 

NO... i don't, the item i saw/read was from history, Wars & Conflicts 1916 Easter Rising. the rubbish we get on the news daily is biased and the reporting is the reporters feelings, not the facts...

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17 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

When you talking about the Victorians making life easier, Dave, have you looked at the social history of the industrial revolution?  The very young kids who were forced to work in textile factories crawling under machines at serious risk of injury.  The spread of unplanned towns around the factories that provided the most appalling living conditions for those who lived there.  The ludicrously short life expectancy of the working population.  The high level of infant mortality because of the dirt and filth of these spreading towns?  I doubt you would have thought your life was being made easier if you'd lived then.

when i said easier, my meaning was products making life easy, ie steam- for farming, industrial macjnerey, ships, railways... i'm sorry i didn't think of the workers in my statement, but the ease of making products to export. 

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21 minutes ago, Davebrad said:

NO... i don't, the item i saw/read was from history, Wars & Conflicts 1916 Easter Rising. the rubbish we get on the news daily is biased and the reporting is the reporters feelings, not the facts...

Any substantial evidence of this claim? Any articles you can share to back up your view? 

Ironically most of your posts are based on feelings and not facts. When facts are at odds with your feelings, rather than change your feelings you look for alternative facts. 

Edited by WV

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6 hours ago, WV said:

So you'd be OK with that today as long as there were benefits in the future? 

progress in the main, brings benefits...on a personal point, my father worked all his life from 14yrs old, heavy dirty work, with materials now banned as dangerous, which eventually killed him 3 months before he was due to retire...but in my case as i said those materials are not there now, unions and H&S have benefited me. India now into building space craft. Australia buggering the french, all progress comes at a price, but we can now see how much of a price, with hindsight

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11 minutes ago, Davebrad said:

progress in the main, brings benefits...on a personal point, my father worked all his life from 14yrs old, heavy dirty work, with materials now banned as dangerous, which eventually killed him 3 months before he was due to retire...but in my case as i said those materials are not there now, unions and H&S have benefited me. India now into building space craft. Australia buggering the french, all progress comes at a price, but we can now see how much of a price, with hindsight

And its all thanks to us? Is that your argument? 

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30 minutes ago, Davebrad said:

when i said easier, my meaning was products making life easy, ie steam- for farming, industrial macjnerey, ships, railways... i'm sorry i didn't think of the workers in my statement, but the ease of making products to export. 

Thats not making "life" easy for anyone who lived at the time. Its making it easier to produce products for profit at the expense of quality of life. 

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21 hours ago, Valiant62 said:

Connelly wasn’t strictly speaking in the IRA. The Citzens’ Army was an international socialist organisation which came about after the Dublin lockouts where strikers and their families were kept from starving by the donations from trade unionists from England, noteably Manchester and Liverpool. Connelly was actually born in Edinburgh (Cowgate) and spent much of his youth organising Italian dockers in New York. He was fluent in Italian. He had no formal education but his wife was an intellectual and wrote his speeches for him. There was considerable support for Irish home rule at the time in Britain. Of course, the Easter Rising occurred during the First World War where 86,000 Unionists and 210,000 nationalists lost their lives fighting for “the freedom of small nations”. Hard line Unionists make great play of the blood sacrifice of their community, understanably so, but it tends to be forgotten that Lloyd George had promised home rule (to Redmond) a promise that was later broken of course.

from the same article i quoted to Jacko51 earlier...

With the outbreak of war, Connolly became increasingly committed to fomenting an insurrection against British rule in Ireland; he had gradually changed from labour organiser and agitator into military commandant and theorist. In mid-January 1916 he reached agreement with the Irish Republican Brotherhood Military Council to co-operate in an insurrection the following Easter. He joined the Council, and on the day before the Rising its members appointed him vice-president of the Irish Republic and Commandant-General, Dublin Division, Irish Army.

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