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3 hours ago, 1 said:

Last time their was hype at home we <ovf censored> the bed against a solid but not scary Rochdale side. Let’s not let that happen again because I think this team confident vs this team without confidence will be night and day. Keep up the momentum. And play Politic. And protect Gibbo. And find Cass’s best and permanent position. 

IMO Politic isn’t going to play in our current formation. I certainly see no reason to drop Gibbo for someone we know nothing about either. I also think that Cass  has found his best position too, he isn’t a wing back or a full back, he’s a centre half. 

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2 hours ago, philmpv said:

Out of interest, who are you dropping for Politic, as in the current system that would have to be either Worrall or Gibbons? If youre saying Gibbons, that would mean him playing out of position at LWB? Or are you saying we should change the system to accommodate him. Don't get the love in for him personally. He may be superb, he may be crap, we won't know until we've seen him for a few games, but it seems the word of Bolton fans is enough? Have we learnt nothing from Benning and Garrity?
 

Agree,we haven't seen anything to judge him by... could have been brought in as no more than cover but there's no evidence at all that he's top notch.....takes me back to Achille Campion.

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2 minutes ago, Aguar61 said:

Agree,we haven't seen anything to judge him by... could have been brought in as no more than cover but there's no evidence at all that he's top notch.....takes me back to Achille Campion.

He is proven at this level though unlike campion. 

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And so, if its in our legs, its time to push and break away from the peloton. We can likely share the workload to stay ahead with Forest Green Rovers. Need to avoid a flat tyre or chain coming off this weekend anyway.

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11 hours ago, philmpv said:

Out of interest, who are you dropping for Politic, as in the current system that would have to be either Worrall or Gibbons? If youre saying Gibbons, that would mean him playing out of position at LWB? Or are you saying we should change the system to accommodate him. Don't get the love in for him personally. He may be superb, he may be crap, we won't know until we've seen him for a few games, but it seems the word of Bolton fans is enough? Have we learnt nothing from Benning and Garrity?
 

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8 hours ago, PV1973 said:

IMO Politic isn’t going to play in our current formation. I certainly see no reason to drop Gibbo for someone we know nothing about either. I also think that Cass  has found his best position too, he isn’t a wing back or a full back, he’s a centre half. 

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8 hours ago, Aguar61 said:

Agree,we haven't seen anything to judge him by... could have been brought in as no more than cover but there's no evidence at all that he's top notch.....takes me back to Achille Campion.

Except Campion just wasn't good enough at EFL level. With Politic he just isn't able to play in our current formation. I'm sure we'll play with wingers at some stage and he'll play his part.

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8 minutes ago, onestepatatime said:

This manager will get the best out of all his players, in whatever system he employs. If Politic is good enough then he will get game time. Trust the matrix!

It is a long season, there are plenty of games, no doubt a few injuries to come,  he will get his chance if fit enough and able to contribute.

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If Politic is going to come on in a game then it’s going to be when we have to change formation and go with a 4-4-2 or a 4-3-3, he isn’t getting on the starting team sheet whilst we are playing wing backs. 

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1 hour ago, PV1973 said:

If Politic is going to come on in a game then it’s going to be when we have to change formation and go with a 4-4-2 or a 4-3-3, he isn’t getting on the starting team sheet whilst we are playing wing backs. 

Is it politic to hope that Politic will get a chance at some point so that there's no political fall out from his parent club?

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4 hours ago, Wrex said:

Except Campion just wasn't good enough at EFL level. With Politic he just isn't able to play in our current formation. I'm sure we'll play with wingers at some stage and he'll play his part.

Politic has come to play and develop with the aim of proving he can play for Bolton possibly back at Championship level. So he has to leave and go somewhere else possibly now. Port Vale shouldn't harm his career by keeping him for the couple of occasions he might get on the pitch and be useful. 

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Politic will get his chance, like most of the other players.  It’s a matter of if rather than when.

The other talking point point is that he’s potentially competing with Hurst for a place.  As things stand these 2 players are only going to feature as subs, so do we try to develop Hurst by giving him some game time or develop someone else’s player?

Have to admit I’m not a huge admirer of Hurst, but no doubting he’s got potential to improve, if given a chance.

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23 minutes ago, Guitar Ray said:

Politic will get his chance, like most of the other players.  It’s a matter of if rather than when.

The other talking point point is that he’s potentially competing with Hurst for a place.  As things stand these 2 players are only going to feature as subs, so do we try to develop Hurst by giving him some game time or develop someone else’s player?

Have to admit I’m not a huge admirer of Hurst, but no doubting he’s got potential to improve, if given a chance.

I may be wrong on this but my understanding was Politic has turned down a contract offer by Bolton and is out of contract at the end of this season.

I know there's a whole host of reasons why players do or don't join so being out of contract doesn't necessarily mean he would join us but my point is - it's not like George Lloyd (who is contracted till 2024 at Cheltenham) - as there is a possibility of Politic's loan turning into a permanent move. So it wouldn't necessarily be "developing someone else's player" in Politic's case.

I personally think the best thing for Hurst may be a loan move to the National League till January. He could still feature for Vale in the FLT games while on loan but then he'd also hopefully get week-in-week-out games too.

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17 hours ago, philmpv said:

Out of interest, who are you dropping for Politic, as in the current system that would have to be either Worrall or Gibbons?
 

Personally, I wouldn't upset the squad for an important game against a top two side. Instead, I would be looking to be giving Politic, Amoo etc a good run out in Tuesday's FLT game against Rochdale instead.

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