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1 hour ago, Biddulph_PV said:

Had a busy family day so only caught the last 20 mins. It was hard to gauge what sort of game it was as Bowers commentary implied we were really under the cosh. 

Great result and we are developing a bit of momentum whereby we have a settled team and system that is doing the business away from home. Next week vs Orient will be an interesting test as I’m still not convinced it’s the right system for at home, but what do I know.

Loving the new found “game management”. I noticed Lucas had “hamstring problems” against Harrogate around 80 minutes in. Anyway, as others have said, we’ve been on the receiving end of some outrageous gamesmanship over the past few seasons, so great that we are dishing a bit out ourselves. 

looking forward to the next game (which normally means we lose it)! 

There were a couple of short spells where we were under a bit of pressure but over the 90 (95) we were comfortable.  The second half felt a bit like the Harrogate game where we took our foot off the gas and got a bit sloppy.  Missing decent chances doesn't help.  As it was, Covolan had to make one smart save and we cleared an effort off the line.

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I personally don’t think I’ve ever seen us look more comfortable away and 1-0 up. Should have been 3 at least. There chances only came from scrambles and long balls into the box.

I thought we looked really classy at times and had a clear pattern of play. Role on next Saturday.

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10 hours ago, philmpv said:

I personally think that Lloyd is a great sub option to have from what I've seen. Chases absolutely everything and never let's up. Much more so than Amoo and Rodney. Horses for courses and all that. Each offer something different.

I agree to an extent, not knocking the lad at all.  It's like bringing on another midfielder but playing higher up the pitch.  When only 1 up and they're pressing I then we should try to get in behind us, stops them pressing and playing further up the pitch.

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12 hours ago, Doha said:

I didn't quite understand the point of the Benning sub. Not to single him out but he was poor. I don't think he stopped a single cross, for 2/3 of them he was miles away from the winger, miles, it was like he'd won a competition. Sorry but I think he was really poor and for such a hyped transfer he needs to get his act together like the rest of them have. 

I would definitely agree that Benning hasn't been that impressive so far. However, I think we've got a manager/coaching team that's very cautious on rushing players back from injury. I would think Clarke still thinks Gibbo can't quite manage 90 mins yet and that's why he's being super cautious and subbing him. While it does potentially weaken us when he comes off, I can see the long-term logic. You don't want to set Gibbo back several weeks or months for the sake of pushing him through a full 90 mins too soon. The good news is that if DC keeps being sensible with Gibbo the time will come when he will last 90 mins and hopefully eventually there will be no need to sub him. 

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47 minutes ago, robf said:

I would definitely agree that Benning hasn't been that impressive so far. However, I think we've got a manager/coaching team that's very cautious on rushing players back from injury. I would think Clarke still thinks Gibbo can't quite manage 90 mins yet and that's why he's being super cautious and subbing him. While it does potentially weaken us when he comes off, I can see the long-term logic. You don't want to set Gibbo back several weeks or months for the sake of pushing him through a full 90 mins too soon. The good news is that if DC keeps being sensible with Gibbo the time will come when he will last 90 mins and hopefully eventually there will be no need to sub him. 

I think gibbo was subbed yesterday because he had an off day he was poor especially second half and was correctly subbed 

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6 minutes ago, Coyney Valiant said:

I think gibbo was subbed yesterday because he had an off day he was poor especially second half and was correctly subbed 

Gibbo was good yesterday. Absolute menace down the left and his drilled crosses on his weaker foot were dangerous. Flagged second half but would definitely disagree with the view he had an off day.

Benning continues to look absolute miles off. We looked so open on his side after he came on. I'd be looking to get Amos up to speed. The Matrix has had an excellent hit-rate but, 10+ games in, maybe Benning was a miss and his 1 year deal was a wise move.

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I'd agree with that @Joe B for me he runs out of steam after an hour or so (no criticism as that's just him regaining match fitness) and DC is resting him so he doesn't push him too much. We've been terrible over the years with rushing players back from injury too early at Vale so I think it's a sensible long-term strategy.

I thought Conlon had a greater impact over the 90 mins yesterday. That's not a criticism of his recent performances, he's a great player and back from injury but he's only human and it has taken him a few games to have an impact over the whole 90 mins. Hopefully the skipper will now go on from strength to strength too.

If DC's management means we start seeing the same from Gibbo (i.e. building him up to 90 min games) then that's two key injured players who have been carefully managed back into the side.

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26 minutes ago, Coyney Valiant said:

I think gibbo was subbed yesterday because he had an off day he was poor especially second half and was correctly subbed 

Either you we’re watching a different game or just aren’t sure what players are bringing to the side. Don’t forget football isn’t about just getting a ball and running at players to try and create something every time they have it. I though Gibbo defended well, pressed well, put in a couple of great crosses, kept their full back and lad on the right quiet for most of the game and kept them on the back foot, he got in at the back post for balls into the box, made some good runs around the box that weren’t picked out when he was finding space (that was very noticeable in the second half) and he kept the ball well too. I think the only things I can remember that he did wrong were a miss hit cross in the second half and a cross field ball to the right that he put too much on. We’re certainly a better side with him in the team and the fact he was subbed weakened us. But I agree with rob, Clarke looks to be trying to protect him and build up his match minutes IMO, he put in a lot of work down the wing yesterday so I think it’s wise we look after him. Arguably he was better than worrall yesterday too. 

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9 hours ago, Guitar Ray said:

There were a couple of short spells where we were under a bit of pressure but over the 90 (95) we were comfortable.  The second half felt a bit like the Harrogate game where we took our foot off the gas and got a bit sloppy.  Missing decent chances doesn't help.  As it was, Covolan had to make one smart save and we cleared an effort off the line.

I think no matter how much you dominate 1-0 is a worrying score line during a game. I suppose thats why we all hope our forward line consistently hits the net so as we can get into those more comfortable 2-0 positions.

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11 minutes ago, The man in the pub said:

I think no matter how much you dominate 1-0 is a worrying score line during a game. I suppose thats why we all hope our forward line consistently hits the net so as we can get into those more comfortable 2-0 positions.

Agreed a bit more composure in and around the box to pick out an easy pass to players better placed than you and then the obvious better finishing.  Proctor could've had at least another couple had he managed to keep relatively easy chances on target over the last couple of games.  Does great to get the chances but then fails to hit the target.

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I think you could bring in Pep Guardiola, Thomas Tuchel, or even Alex Ferguson, we would still have the same Executive and the same small minded budget and ambition

You can’t make a silk purse out of a rotten, out of date mouldy pig’s ear

The club is rotten to the core

 

 

How lucky are we to have Carol to support the matrix.

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Even Clarke is doing OK with the Vale 4th in the table at a well managed and financed club

Am beginning to understand now why he jumped ship


Any doubters take note, other clubs see what’s happening. Onwards and upwards.

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With regards to Gibbo, let’s not forget that the lad is playing out of position on the left.  He’s very much a right footed player.

What I saw was a good performance from him until he started to flag, after which a couple of errors crept in and he was justifiably subbed.

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Mal Benning is a good player, we know that, but the question is whether he can rediscover that form in his time with us.

With the competition for places we have right now it’ll be hard for him to get enough game time to force his way into the starting 11 every week, when really he would probably benefit from an extended run in the side to build confidence.  It’s a vicious circle.

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1 minute ago, Guitar Ray said:

Mal Benning is a good player, we know that, but the question is whether he can rediscover that form in his time with us.

With the competition for places we have right now it’ll be hard for him to get enough game time to force his way into the starting 11 every week, when really he would probably benefit from an extended run in the side to build confidence.  It’s a vicious circle.

He'll get a chance in the upcoming trophy (or whatever it's called now) game vs Rochdale.  Needs a bit of a spark to get going for sure.

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