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I can remember on numerous occasions a slow handclap breaking out in the 60's/ 70's  gathering momentum, but can any one remember someone playing the last post on a trumpet in the Bycars during one game or am I dreaming ?

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I can remember on numerous occasions a slow handclap breaking out in the 60's/ 70's  gathering momentum, but can any one remember someone playing the last post on a trumpet in the Bycars during one game or am I dreaming ?
Doesn't sound like a Vale fan to exaggerate like that? [emoji23]
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2 hours ago, blackdog said:

I can remember on numerous occasions a slow handclap breaking out in the 60's/ 70's  gathering momentum, but can any one remember someone playing the last post on a trumpet in the Bycars during one game or am I dreaming ?

I remember the slow handclap. I thought it was because of excessive time-wasting by the opposition? Or, in protest at the numerous shocking referee decisions we had to suffer (nothing changes!); or, i suppose, it might have been that Vale were very slow to introduce subs to try to change the dynamics of the game? But, i think that was less than the other 2 reasons?

Contrary to some on here: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjTwLC56PLyAhXzoFwKHWxbC5oQFnoECCgQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.cambridge.org%2Fdictionary%2Fenglish%2Fsupport&usg=AOvVaw2x9GF5Y7Wch0_yXuticnkG "to give encouragement and approval to someone or something because you want the person or thing to succeed:" Yes - I've booed Vale teams before...but only after the game, and never aimed at just one player - it's a team game!

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Booing individual Vale players is a no no at Vale Park or anywhere for that matter but I can understand at times some fans booing the Vale team at the end of a game out of frustration.  

I don't subscribe to the notion that a player or a team doesn't try and hence  "Deserves"  to be booed, Vale lose a game usually cause the other team play better on the day or have a bit more luck at crucial times, it's never for the want of trying.

Screaming abuse/obscenities at an individual Vale player anywhere is beyond the bounds of acceptable behavior IMHO.

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39 minutes ago, LancyTony said:

I remember the slow handclap. I thought it was because of excessive time-wasting by the opposition? Or, in protest at the numerous shocking referee decisions we had to suffer (nothing changes!); or, i suppose, it might have been that Vale were very slow to introduce subs to try to change the dynamics of the game? But, i think that was less than the other 2 reasons?

Contrary to some on here: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjTwLC56PLyAhXzoFwKHWxbC5oQFnoECCgQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.cambridge.org%2Fdictionary%2Fenglish%2Fsupport&usg=AOvVaw2x9GF5Y7Wch0_yXuticnkG "to give encouragement and approval to someone or something because you want the person or thing to succeed:" Yes - I've booed Vale teams before...but only after the game, and never aimed at just one player - it's a team game!

  1. 1.
    bear all or part of the weight of; hold up.
    "the dome was supported by a hundred white columns"
     
  2. 2.
    give assistance to, especially financially; enable to function or act.

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9 hours ago, geosname said:
  1. 1.
    bear all or part of the weight of; hold up.
    "the dome was supported by a hundred white columns"
     
  2. 2.
    give assistance to, especially financially; enable to function or act.

Bear in mind that these are alternative meanings for the same word. Its the same with the word Left.

The left hand side of the stand were booing loudly -or- they left their sense at the turnstiles.

Most would argue that the initial definition of encourage and approve is closest to what a football supporter does. Although the other definitions could be applied in some sense.

However.... Encourage and approve, bear weight and hold up, assist (esp financially) and enable to function or act.

Does Booing the team fit with any of them?

ALL of the definitions are defining a way of getting behind, aiding to progress, helping to achieve, taking the strain.

The original question was, particularly at this stage of the season and given the current circumstances at the club, does booing the team have any merit?

I think we all know the answer.

 

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48 minutes ago, cactuselves said:

Bear in mind that these are alternative meanings for the same word. Its the same with the word Left.

The left hand side of the stand were booing loudly -or- they left their sense at the turnstiles.

Most would argue that the initial definition of encourage and approve is closest to what a football supporter does. Although the other definitions could be applied in some sense.

However.... Encourage and approve, bear weight and hold up, assist (esp financially) and enable to function or act.

Does Booing the team fit with any of them?

ALL of the definitions are defining a way of getting behind, aiding to progress, helping to achieve, taking the strain.

The original question was, particularly at this stage of the season and given the current circumstances at the club, does booing the team have any merit?

I think we all know the answer.

 

Im not sure what you mean by initial, so I will assume you mean in this thread.

Not everyone is a fan but everyone who buys a ticket is a supporter, even the away following supports the club financially. Some may be fans of other clubs, some may attend for entertainment.

My mate was a fanatic I was simply a supporter. We went home and away, I went for the entertainment he had to go.

Some don't like what they see and react others don't. Which is exactly what's happening in this thread, some don't like the booing and are reacting, which they have the right to do.

The mood of the crowd is an integral part of the game, especially in the lower leagues, without the crowds there would be no clubs, no players and no one to support. Excite them, give them something to shout about and you are on a winner, P them off you tend to feel their ire.

I don't boo. It's a waste of energy and people don't know what you are booing at/for most of the time.

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50 minutes ago, geosname said:

Some don't like what they see and react others don't. Which is exactly what's happening in this thread, some don't like the booing and are reacting, which they have the right to do.

No-one has said that people don't have a right to boo. I haven't seen a single post that suggests that. I agree 100% that people have the right to boo. I keep asking, but, is it the right thing to do though in the current circumstances at the club? You can enjoy the right to do something, but choose not to do it because it isn't the right thing to do. 

55 minutes ago, geosname said:

Not everyone is a fan but everyone who buys a ticket is a supporter, even the away following supports the club financially. Some may be fans of other clubs, some may attend for entertainment.

Understand that not everyone lives and bleeds the Vale, but 99% of those who pay to watch and sit in the home end want the team to do well and win. Not sure why this changes whether booing is the right thing to do or not.

53 minutes ago, geosname said:

It's a waste of energy and people don't know what you are booing at/for most of the time.

100% agree with this too.

Also agree the the lower league clubs live and die based on support and is integral to the game. Also agree that showing Ire is something that fans can and should do when the circumstances are right for it.... but 3 home games in. Come on.

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58 minutes ago, cactuselves said:

No-one has said that people don't have a right to boo. I haven't seen a single post that suggests that. I agree 100% that people have the right to boo. I keep asking, but, is it the right thing to do though in the current circumstances at the club? You can enjoy the right to do something, but choose not to do it because it isn't the right thing to do. 

Understand that not everyone lives and bleeds the Vale, but 99% of those who pay to watch and sit in the home end want the team to do well and win. Not sure why this changes whether booing is the right thing to do or not.

100% agree with this too.

Also agree the the lower league clubs live and die based on support and is integral to the game. Also agree that showing Ire is something that fans can and should do when the circumstances are right for it.... but 3 home games in. Come on.

If the team starts off by doing something some fans object to it may get a reaction (taking the knee) like booing.

If pèople are booing the team not the action it may be residual  and or accumulative,  it certainly seem pre-emptive. 

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1 hour ago, geosname said:

If the team starts off by doing something some fans object to it may get a reaction (taking the knee) like booing.

If pèople are booing the team not the action it may be residual  and or accumulative,  it certainly seem pre-emptive. 

A/ If the team starts off by doing something some fans object to it may get a reaction (taking the knee) like booing.  <- As before, it is the team that is being booed for taking the action. It is still booing the team. dress it up how you like, disassociate it from the players, make the action seem something other to the humans taking the action, booing the action is still booing the team. My view is that booing isn't helpful if we want to support / help / aid their chances of winning. The team aren't taking a 'negative' action in taking the knee. Even if a supporter doesn't agree with the gesture, as someone who wants the team to win it is easy to find other ways to object to the action that doesn't instill instant negativity, immediately before kick off.

B/ If people are booing the team not the action it may be residual  and or accumulative,  it certainly seem pre-emptive.  <- Agreed

2 hours ago, cactuselves said:

I keep asking, but, is it (booing) the right thing to do though in the current circumstances at the club?

I take it then that you think 'A' above is acceptable but 'B' above is not? You seem to be justifying booing of taking the knee (or at least booing of actions that people disagree with), without answering the above question, so I'm not sure what your stance is. I understand why people boo, which you keep explaining, I just don't think that it is helpful to the team and as a supporter, I always want to try and give them the encouragement in the hope that it might increase their chances of winning by even a tiny margin.

As Beechy said above, everyone will moan, including me, I certainly don't sit there happy clapping for 90 minutes, but I just really dislike this pantomime booing of your own side which seems to have crept in recently.

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