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I do think our ball retention generally isn’t great at home and I think that tough old bumpy clay pitch is a factor.
We need a new pitch as that will reward passing, technically decent football. Instead we have a pitch full of divots that will only reward hoof ball 
Didn't reward us much and we've been playing hoofball for 4 years to the start of this season

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2 hours ago, darren1810 said:

Don't think we ought to be creating single player threads it's a collective team effort , not a pop at you VFIA as understand your passion and frustration.

An absolute enigma is Rodders, sublime to the ridiculous with little in between. Didn't Clarke himself say that Rodders is almost ' too nice '. Needs a bit more devilment and dare i say it , dirty rough house play in his game. Very frustrating player.

Now my last point and this forum is all about opinions and hopefully respectful ones .

But from a personal perspective i've read since Saturday that Benning and now Rodney have given one of the worst performances EVER seen in a Vale shirt. Clearly not everyone has gone as long as myself, i'm 54 and my dad took me as a nipper.

But even in the recent past we have had Jules, Mills, Tanser, Macintosh, Paterson and numerous others.

Is it not a tad knee jerk following a poor defeat to come out with such a proclamation.

Older posters will wince at the names Martin Henderson, Jeff Johnson, Tommy Gore, yet apparently Benning and Rodney are up there with the worst ever .

 

 

It was me that said it and I stand by my comment. At least in recent memory, it was as bad as I've seen from a forward. I don't recall him doing a single thing right while he was on the pitch, and it's not like he only had 5 or 10 minutes. I can take poor control, missed shots, running down blind ally's etc. But for someone of his size and build to also constantly get knocked off the ball was pretty shocking. I've never seen him play that badly and hopefully he doesn't put in a performance like that again for a long, long time.

One thing is for sure, he can have absolutely no complaints about not being in the starting 11 at the moment. So I hope he doesn't feel sorry for himself.

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15 hours ago, philmpv said:
17 hours ago, TJHValiant said:
I do think our ball retention generally isn’t great at home and I think that tough old bumpy clay pitch is a factor.
We need a new pitch as that will reward passing, technically decent football. Instead we have a pitch full of divots that will only reward hoof ball 

Didn't reward us much and we've been playing hoofball for 4 years to the start of this season

And Rochdale managed to play football on it 

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18 hours ago, TJHValiant said:

I do think our ball retention generally isn’t great at home and I think that tough old bumpy clay pitch is a factor.

We need a new pitch as that will reward passing, technically decent football. Instead we have a pitch full of divots that will only reward hoof ball 

The Rochdale game was the first time I had seen the pitch, (Lorne St side) being watered before a game. I know VP is one of the few clay pitches left but improvements have been made recently by Speedy and new techniques are available. 

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7 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:

The Rochdale game was the first time I had seen the pitch, (Lorne St side) being watered before a game. I know VP is one of the few clay pitches left but improvements have been made recently by Speedy and new techniques are available. 

We are in August, but come November it will be as heavy as ever contributing to injuries and everything else as usual. 
 

Speedy does a remarkable job with what he has, no doubt, but really a new pitch was needed years ago. 
 

It may cost half a million for the works, but I feel that would really make the difference over many years. 

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We are in August, but come November it will be as heavy as ever contributing to injuries and everything else as usual. 
 
Speedy does a remarkable job with what he has, no doubt, but really a new pitch was needed years ago. 
 
It may cost half a million for the works, but I feel that would really make the difference over many years. 
Fancy paying for it then?

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16 hours ago, Beech said:

 

It was me that said it and I stand by my comment. At least in recent memory, it was as bad as I've seen from a forward. I don't recall him doing a single thing right while he was on the pitch, and it's not like he only had 5 or 10 minutes. I can take poor control, missed shots, running down blind ally's etc. But for someone of his size and build to also constantly get knocked off the ball was pretty shocking. I've never seen him play that badly and hopefully he doesn't put in a performance like that again for a long, long time.

One thing is for sure, he can have absolutely no complaints about not being in the starting 11 at the moment. So I hope he doesn't feel sorry for himself.

With players queing up for the bench and IF D.C. sees anything in Amoo then Rodney might be lucky to see the bench.

The replacement striker is crucial for us this season. Proctor is a good signing and yes far far better than Pope has been for last two years. Just hope he remains fit. Not sure if he plays many games due to injury or due to not scoring enough goals but so far he looks the part of a decent no. 9.

The problem is the forward up front with him. Wilson has not scored goals regularly but to be fair he has played in a higher level of football for most of his career. He did score last year, 10 i think and i would settle for that this year. Problem is he doesnt look like scoring goals. He may score the 20 yarder top corner but so far he has missed several chances in and around the box and they are the ones that get you up to 15 + goals @ season.

The other bigger issue is that he only ever seems to last just past half time and so we will always be looking for a substitution. He does work hard off the ball up front but not to the extent of only lasting for an hour ! He looks a skilful footballer but he is also lightweight and when the winter arrives and he has big center backs closer to him, on heavier pitches, he may go missing for me.

So who will replace him. Rodney, Lloyd, Amoo !!! Oh dear. God forbid Proctor gets injured or the goals dry up.

Yes we have scored goals recently but scoring GOALS will still be our major problem this season

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This feels like another knee-jerk reaction. It's true, he was poor on Saturday. I'm confident he is fully aware of this, so are the coaching staff. But are we now judging players on 45 minutes of football? He hasn't had the best start to the season but he hasn't played every minute of the 6 games either. Is this what its come to? He scored vital goals for us last season and what we don't need is the spread of unnecessary criticism that will filter into the stands.

I don't expect people to agree with everyone, and if everyone did this place would be redundant, but can people just add some balance to their opinions. Just because our colours are black and white, doesn't mean our opinions need to be too.

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This feels like another knee-jerk reaction. It's true, he was poor on Saturday. I'm confident he is fully aware of this, so are the coaching staff. But are we now judging players on 45 minutes of football? He hasn't had the best start to the season but he hasn't played every minute of the 6 games either. Is this what its come to? He scored vital goals for us last season and what we don't need is the spread of unnecessary criticism that will filter into the stands.
I don't expect people to agree with everyone, and if everyone did this place would be redundant, but can people just add some balance to their opinions. Just because our colours are black and white, doesn't mean our opinions need to be too.
Most Vale fans will support a player through thick and thin if they're seen to be giving their all. Even if they're not the best in terms of ability. I think most of the criticism of Rodney from Saturday is borne largely of frustration and annoyance that Rodney didn't seem to do that. For such a large player to be brushed and out fought out of the challenges and shirking most of them was the reason for the reaction. He just didn't seem to want it. At all. That is something no Vale fan will stand for, no matter what they've done before
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Just now, philmpv said:
16 minutes ago, Rocky said:
This feels like another knee-jerk reaction. It's true, he was poor on Saturday. I'm confident he is fully aware of this, so are the coaching staff. But are we now judging players on 45 minutes of football? He hasn't had the best start to the season but he hasn't played every minute of the 6 games either. Is this what its come to? He scored vital goals for us last season and what we don't need is the spread of unnecessary criticism that will filter into the stands.
I don't expect people to agree with everyone, and if everyone did this place would be redundant, but can people just add some balance to their opinions. Just because our colours are black and white, doesn't mean our opinions need to be too.

Most Vale fans will support a player through thick and thin if they're seen to be giving their all. Even if they're not the best in terms of ability. I think most of the criticism of Rodney from Saturday is borne largely of frustration and annoyance that Rodney didn't seem to do that. For such a large player to be brushed and out fought out of the challenges and shirking most of them was the reason for the reaction. He just didn't seem to want it. At all. That is something no Vale fan will stand for, no matter what they've done before

 

Yeah, I agree, it didn't look great at all and it was a very poor 45 minutes but the amount of criticism he has received for 45 minutes of play, in a game where few really shone bright, feels a bit like he's become a scapegoat and someone to channel fan's frustration at and jumping on his back and putting more pressure on him at this stage is only going to affect his confidence in future games. 

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45 minutes ago, Rocky said:

This feels like another knee-jerk reaction. It's true, he was poor on Saturday. I'm confident he is fully aware of this, so are the coaching staff. But are we now judging players on 45 minutes of football? He hasn't had the best start to the season but he hasn't played every minute of the 6 games either. Is this what its come to? He scored vital goals for us last season and what we don't need is the spread of unnecessary criticism that will filter into the stands.

I don't expect people to agree with everyone, and if everyone did this place would be redundant, but can people just add some balance to their opinions. Just because our colours are black and white, doesn't mean our opinions need to be too.

If he came on and changed the game then people, myself included, would be giving him nothing but praise. Nobody should be judging him. But I don't see the problem to say a player was garbage when they were. His attitude was terrible.

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11 minutes ago, Beech said:

If he came on and changed the game then people, myself included, would be giving him nothing but praise. Nobody should be judging him. But I don't see the problem to say a player was garbage when they were. His attitude was terrible.

I suppose that in a way is proving the point I'm making. If he had scored a fluke or a tap in with the same performance, there would be praise. If he scores 2 in the next game he plays in, little will be said about his 45 minutes against Rochdale. There is a time to criticise and a time to hold off on judgment. It's all very fickle if people's opinions can change if one goal is scored. And I understand his role is to score goals but pretty much everyone looked poor in that team in the second half on Saturday, lets put the pitchforks away until at least the season changes, eh?

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2 hours ago, TJHValiant said:

We are in August, but come November it will be as heavy as ever contributing to injuries and everything else as usual. 
 

Speedy does a remarkable job with what he has, no doubt, but really a new pitch was needed years ago. 
 

It may cost half a million for the works, but I feel that would really make the difference over many years. 

get sponsors-jcb??????

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43 minutes ago, philmpv said:
57 minutes ago, geoff1 said:
get sponsors-jcb??????

I think that Norman had something along those lines lined up before the protests started. Forget who the sponsor was but it was defo in the pipeline

I've got a bridge to sell you 

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