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Just now, philmpv said:
16 minutes ago, Rocky said:
This feels like another knee-jerk reaction. It's true, he was poor on Saturday. I'm confident he is fully aware of this, so are the coaching staff. But are we now judging players on 45 minutes of football? He hasn't had the best start to the season but he hasn't played every minute of the 6 games either. Is this what its come to? He scored vital goals for us last season and what we don't need is the spread of unnecessary criticism that will filter into the stands.
I don't expect people to agree with everyone, and if everyone did this place would be redundant, but can people just add some balance to their opinions. Just because our colours are black and white, doesn't mean our opinions need to be too.

Most Vale fans will support a player through thick and thin if they're seen to be giving their all. Even if they're not the best in terms of ability. I think most of the criticism of Rodney from Saturday is borne largely of frustration and annoyance that Rodney didn't seem to do that. For such a large player to be brushed and out fought out of the challenges and shirking most of them was the reason for the reaction. He just didn't seem to want it. At all. That is something no Vale fan will stand for, no matter what they've done before

 

Yeah, I agree, it didn't look great at all and it was a very poor 45 minutes but the amount of criticism he has received for 45 minutes of play, in a game where few really shone bright, feels a bit like he's become a scapegoat and someone to channel fan's frustration at and jumping on his back and putting more pressure on him at this stage is only going to affect his confidence in future games. 

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45 minutes ago, Rocky said:

This feels like another knee-jerk reaction. It's true, he was poor on Saturday. I'm confident he is fully aware of this, so are the coaching staff. But are we now judging players on 45 minutes of football? He hasn't had the best start to the season but he hasn't played every minute of the 6 games either. Is this what its come to? He scored vital goals for us last season and what we don't need is the spread of unnecessary criticism that will filter into the stands.

I don't expect people to agree with everyone, and if everyone did this place would be redundant, but can people just add some balance to their opinions. Just because our colours are black and white, doesn't mean our opinions need to be too.

If he came on and changed the game then people, myself included, would be giving him nothing but praise. Nobody should be judging him. But I don't see the problem to say a player was garbage when they were. His attitude was terrible.

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11 minutes ago, Beech said:

If he came on and changed the game then people, myself included, would be giving him nothing but praise. Nobody should be judging him. But I don't see the problem to say a player was garbage when they were. His attitude was terrible.

I suppose that in a way is proving the point I'm making. If he had scored a fluke or a tap in with the same performance, there would be praise. If he scores 2 in the next game he plays in, little will be said about his 45 minutes against Rochdale. There is a time to criticise and a time to hold off on judgment. It's all very fickle if people's opinions can change if one goal is scored. And I understand his role is to score goals but pretty much everyone looked poor in that team in the second half on Saturday, lets put the pitchforks away until at least the season changes, eh?

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2 hours ago, TJHValiant said:

We are in August, but come November it will be as heavy as ever contributing to injuries and everything else as usual. 
 

Speedy does a remarkable job with what he has, no doubt, but really a new pitch was needed years ago. 
 

It may cost half a million for the works, but I feel that would really make the difference over many years. 

get sponsors-jcb??????

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43 minutes ago, philmpv said:
57 minutes ago, geoff1 said:
get sponsors-jcb??????

I think that Norman had something along those lines lined up before the protests started. Forget who the sponsor was but it was defo in the pipeline

I've got a bridge to sell you 

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2 hours ago, philmpv said:
2 hours ago, geoff1 said:
get sponsors-jcb??????

I think that Norman had something along those lines lined up before the protests started. Forget who the sponsor was but it was defo in the pipeline

It really, really wasn't.

I had a good chat with Ol' Norm regarding this at the time and it was concocted to damage the protests + the people involved, specifically the head of the Supporters Club. 

I got an email from said 'sponsor' who was clearly a pal of Normans (very similar 'no punctuation at any point ever' writing style)

I won't expose the company in question as it's unfair but, looking at the company's accounts, they simply wouldn't have had the capital to sponsor much at all. The funds Norman mentioned to me RE sponsorship were in excess of the company's cash + assets by a very considerable margin.

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1 hour ago, Joe B said:

It really, really wasn't.

I had a good chat with Ol' Norm regarding this at the time and it was concocted to damage the protests + the people involved, specifically the head of the Supporters Club. 

I got an email from said 'sponsor' who was clearly a pal of Normans (very similar 'no punctuation at any point ever' writing style)

I won't expose the company in question as it's unfair but, looking at the company's accounts, they simply wouldn't have had the capital to sponsor much at all. The funds Norman mentioned to me RE sponsorship were in excess of the company's cash + assets by a very considerable margin.

typical smurf crap

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I think the criticism of Devante is born out of a number of poor performances this season not just his 45 minutes against Rochdale.
In the second match on the trot he as found himself in a position to either score or square to an unmarked player in front of goal and both occasions as failed to do either.

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I said this the other week rodney hasn't scored much under Clarke as manager. In the 25 to 30 matches not sure on the exact amount of games rodney has only scored 3 goals. 2 goals last season against Colchester and Newport and the one this season against stevenage. If he continues at that scoring rate then he is only going get around 6 goals this season and not the 15 to 20 people were expecting.

It will be interesting if Proctor who has had a superb start can continue his good scoring form as he hasn't scored more than 8 in a season before so he may end up going on a dry run of carry on scoring a hatful.

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37 minutes ago, Andy Proctor said:

I said this the other week rodney hasn't scored much under Clarke as manager. In the 25 to 30 matches not sure on the exact amount of games rodney has only scored 3 goals. 2 goals last season against Colchester and Newport and the one this season against stevenage. If he continues at that scoring rate then he is only going get around 6 goals this season and not the 15 to 20 people were expecting.

It will be interesting if Proctor who has had a superb start can continue his good scoring form as he hasn't scored more than 8 in a season before so he may end up going on a dry run of carry on scoring a hatful.

Very interesting. I think that just proves sometimes it’s not the strikers being out of form, it’s the: service, formation, where they get most touches of the ball, other jobs to do ie. tracking back.

I’m not saying he’s on fire obviously, but there’s so many factors and although I think DC is doing a great job and I hope he’s a long-termer I think he’s stifling a few players.

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42 minutes ago, Andy Proctor said:

I said this the other week rodney hasn't scored much under Clarke as manager. In the 25 to 30 matches not sure on the exact amount of games rodney has only scored 3 goals. 2 goals last season against Colchester and Newport and the one this season against stevenage. If he continues at that scoring rate then he is only going get around 6 goals this season and not the 15 to 20 people were expecting.

It will be interesting if Proctor who has had a superb start can continue his good scoring form as he hasn't scored more than 8 in a season before so he may end up going on a dry run of carry on scoring a hatful.

Think as long as your contributing you do not have score as a striker and as long as you win the games personally not bothered who scores lets look at the  games the lads played in v Northampton should have a assist in that game I didn't see the Tranmere  game so cannot comment v Carlisle he seemed be trying too hard and got crowded out after initial decent footwork v Stevenage scored a good strikers goal v Forest Green came on didn't watch it and sat come on didn't have any real impact and played like he was depressed but not helped by fans showing obvious disappointment in his efforts and he probably went off the pitch was disappointed in his own efforts after all we are all human we all want to do a great job but its not always possible sometimes everything just goes against you .

But when things do you fight harder you strive more you believe in your own strengths and show folk what you all about .

I think we will see a different lad when he next takes to the  field .

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Less than a minute into his substitute appearance on Saturday, Rodders first touch of the ball is a bad one.  Fans are exasperated, some apoplectic with rage.  It was all downhill from there.  What do people expect when they’re on his case straight away to such a degree?  Morons.

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9 hours ago, Guitar Ray said:

Less than a minute into his substitute appearance on Saturday, Rodders first touch of the ball is a bad one.  Fans are exasperated, some apoplectic with rage.  It was all downhill from there.  What do people expect when they’re on his case straight away to such a degree?  Morons.

This is the point I was making, Ray. This lifts off the pages of FB group and forums and filters into the stands and before you know it, every tiny error he is being booed. It affects the player, their confidence and if we are supporters, shouldn't we be supporting him and wanting him to succeed instead of writing him off already? 

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9 hours ago, Guitar Ray said:

Less than a minute into his substitute appearance on Saturday, Rodders first touch of the ball is a bad one.  Fans are exasperated, some apoplectic with rage.  It was all downhill from there.  What do people expect when they’re on his case straight away to such a degree?  Morons.

If the reaction of a few, and a few moans and groans, has an effect on his performance that much then he's probably in the wrong profession.

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